PrinzVonHapunkt
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DJ Sensei
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About this putting sets into your chc range on wet boards to checkjam on blanks:
I'm guessing this is an adjustment to players that do like to barrel because otherwise (if he always realizes his equity or just lets us realize ours or not turn his straightdraw into a bluff when the flush comes in kinda thing -> let's us play more easily on those "half of the deck" turns) it would make more sense to checkraise the flop, wouldnt it?
And in that case we would also do the same with our big draws, right?
because if we chc our really big draw that has an equity edge on the flop but doesnt want to see a blank turn and he doesnt barrel much, a lot of the profitability of the chc line is lost I think
or does him not barreling and thus letting us see turns and rivers make up for that?
We definitely need a good read on our opponent to check-call the flop with a set. Especially top set. If he doesn't barrel the turn, chances are he's outplaying us and realizing his equity. SPR matters, of course, but not quite as much as our opponent's style/tendencies.
I'm also much more likely to take a passive line with middle or bottom set, because we have much to gain by seeing a turn card before getting lots of $ in. If it's a wet one, we might save money against higher sets, or get out cheaper against draws that got there. If it's dry, then we can commit the rest knowing that we have good equity against his entire range. With top set, I'm much more likely to play aggressively on the flop, because we want to get our money in against lower sets or 2pr hands as fast as possible, before they have a chance to see a bad turn card. If we blow out a weaker draw or made hand, so be it, we probably wouldn't get much more value from it anyhow.
If our draw is big enough, we can play it however we want. Just depends on his likely range and the way we'll get the most $ in. With strong but not super-strong draws, we should be more thoughtful of the circumstances.
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cordezzz
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First off, brilliant video, I absolutely loved it. I think this is acutally my favorite PLO video.
You guys are doing a great job explaining the really complex stuff in this game and the bunny is so awesome.
I have two questions:
Can you make a video like this with indepth theory about handreading in PLO? Or have you made one already i don't know about?
I play microstakes PLO on stars. And the games are filled with loosepassive calling stations.
I constantly get called with air, naked ten-high flushdraws, pair + gutshot and so on. And even when i fire two barrels i often get called and end up in a akward riverspot especially OOP.
Do you think it's the correct adjustment to simply stop cbetting anything but monotone/paired boards except when i have top pair or better?
Because im getting called so often even on the driest of boards that i don't think it can be profitable.
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delcrossb
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If you find yourself getting floated and being put in awkward spots again, your 3 main counters are going to be delayed cbetting (for pot control), focusing more on playing in position, and value betting thinner. Against loose passive types you you really want to be focusing on building pots when you have a hand and keeping the pot small when you are weak. Delayed cbetting will allow us to pick up the occasionally disinterested pot but by and large we are going to be looking to just keep pots small and not be too attached to the little ones. Check through your HH's and see how you are doing at showdown in those medium sized pots (ie 30-75bb pots), and see if you are playing hands where you could either be winning more by vbetting more, or losing less by pot controlling better. Hand reading will come with practice.
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DJ Sensei
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+1 to dcb's post, and I'd like to add that if you're in games full of loosepassive players, then some of the conventional preflop wisdom is suboptimal too. For instance, you should be limping behind instead of iso-raising with all sorts of "one-way nut hands" like A9ss83. If you iso, you'll often find yourself in a bigger pot than you'd like to be, and your cbets won't be as effective when your opponents hate to fold. Just see a cheap flop and build a pot if you like it. Also you can steal those limped pots fairly effectively too after your opponents all obviously give up. Just be sure that if you are limping behind you have strong nut components, because your SPR will be a lot higher than in a raised pot.
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cordezzz
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Thanks guys.
I tried to use this basic strategy for my cbets/delayed cbets tofay:
high equity - building the pot with bets, raises etc.
medium equity (TPTK, two pair, bottom two?) - cbet to take the pot down, and barrel turn if brick come and checked to again.
low equity (backdoor, weak draws) - check back then delayed cbet if uncontested.
But im sometimes in doubt if I should checkback medium ones on wet boards, and use the delayed cbet. Say you have TPTK on a K78 twotone?
The problem with playing more in position is that often have a player to the left who calls me no matter what. So the only way i can play more in position is widen my calling range on the button. And this is a big problem because it rarely gets folded to the button, so i have to play weak hands in multiway pots.
DJ Sensei >>>
Yes it is impossible to isoraise on these stakes. So i think it's a great idea to do that when they limp. The problem with these loose passive guys is that they often raise preflop, and then go on to play passive/callish postflop.
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DJ Sensei
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You should still generally be cbetting with TPTK on wet boards, because otherwise you wind up conceding the pot most of the time on later streets.
As for trying to play in position: if the game is really so loose-passive that you can't do that easily, well, so be it! Just play tight and straightforward and you should be able to play big pots with your big hands, whether its IP or OOP.
The problem with these loose passive guys is that they often raise preflop, and then go on to play passive/callish postflop.
Sounds to me like one of those good kind of problems!
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