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PLO100 Lost on flop


mitch

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Dude is 57/28. 33% fold to cbet, 33% raise cbet (12 sample). Aggressive on all streets. Obviously if flop isn't a shove how we decide to play later streets will be very important to call/fold so don't forget to talk about that!

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SB: $161.75
BB: $34.60
Hero (UTG): $103.20
MP: $35.55
CO: $580.25
BTN: $258.90

CO posts a big blind ($1)

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with 4 Spade A Spade A Diamond K Diamond
Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $4.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($16.50) 9 Heart 3 Spade 2 Diamond (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, CO raises to $21, SB folds, Hero ?

Posted over 1 year ago

heh

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With two backdoor colors and a gutter as well as two blockers to the wheel, I am pretty sure I just stick it in here.

I really hate calling and having to play more streets out of position. I don't think we can really fold either, but I'm an agrodonk.

Posted over 1 year ago

delcrossb

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Given the board texture this looks like a super stabby bluff raise. If I think he is doing this too much I sort of like making a tiny 3 bet and then jamming a lot of turn cards. If he folds I'd call that the start of a dynamic.

Posted over 1 year ago

orestto

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I'd probably just shove the flop against someone that raises c-bets this much. I definitely don't want to play more streets OOP especially against an aggressive player, so I'd shove or fold.

Posted over 1 year ago

pasita

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Is it standard to put in 100BB when we're either
a) drawing to 8ish outs
b) slightly ahead
c) crushing and take down the 46BB in the pot?

I hate playing OOP more than you guys since I suck at it, so I can see the extra value in option c), i.e. preventing making mistakes in later streets. Any way of quantifying that?

For those who are sticking it in: swap the 4 to a 6 (or anything else not connected): is this now a fold?

Posted over 1 year ago

Schweig

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If c) has any frequency at all then yes.

You forgot d) slightly behind to two pairs or e) ahead but not crushing but we take down the pot.

Posted over 1 year ago

walrusbear

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My first thought was just to jam here but I like Delcross' idea. I think this smallish raise on a super dry flop like this is going to be either 456* which we're ahead of,99** which we're crushed by or total air which we're obviously ahead of but because it's PLO will have some equity anyway.

Posted over 1 year ago

pasita

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If c) has any frequency at all then yes.

You forgot d) slightly behind to two pairs or e) ahead but not crushing but we take down the pot.



I found two pair somewhat unlikely on this board.
As for e), you mean when he raises with a naked 9? I guess we need to define "crushing" to take this further Smile

As for the small reraise: if he has 99 or air the end result is the same as with repopping. If he has a wrap then (when he chooses just to call) we end up creating a large pot AND playing another street OOP. So we're actually allowing villain to choose how to play his hand. Theoretically it's not a good thing to give villain extra strategic options. Not sure how much of that has a practical meaning in this case.

Posted over 1 year ago

danzasmack

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If I'm shipping here I'm convincing anyone who watched me ship it was the correct play with some sort of read because getting it in with AA here is typically going to be sort of gross. The good news is vs. 99** and 456* we are 40% so if I'm kinda of sure he's a bit spazzy I would ship. Though I think including 33 and 22 is a bit more realistic so I would assume we're about 32% when called.

What about calling and donking a good spade/diamond/5/A with the intention of getting it in?

Posted over 1 year ago

whitelime

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I'd just mash this in based on those stats.

Posted over 1 year ago

Schweig

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As for the small reraise: if he has 99 or air the end result is the same as with repopping.



You'd be surprised. Some people like to flat AFC to a small raise, or shove over with air. People don't like folding to small raises.

Posted over 1 year ago




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