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Short stack is not good, nor bad. Other villain is competent and 3-bets around 10%.

Poker Stars $2000.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 825721
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CO: $3986.00
BTN: $2465.00
SB: $800.00
BB: $1760.00
Hero (UTG): $9923.00
MP: $5574.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is UTG with A J 8 K
Hero raises to $60, 1 fold, CO raises to $200, 1 fold, SB calls $190, 1 fold, Hero calls $140

Flop: ($620.00) 7 3 K (3 players)
SB bets $600.00

Final Pot: $620.00

Why is this interesting?

Is it because the CO is still to act and the trouble we are in if they come along?

Is 4betting preflop a consideration?

Before going into the flop - which is an icky spot - don't you think 4betting has merit in this spot?
If villain has a total 3b frequency of 10%, he's likely 3betting a much higher percentage of the time on co/btn and we should be comfortably ahead of his 3betting range - as well as 200bb deep.

I'd also like to know what's his 3bet% vs an UTG raiser though.

I probably fold on the flop. Just because any of the other two options probably commit us to stack off and we are probably not even that ahead of SBs range. If we call SBs lead or raise small I think we probably have to call considering he's shoving some NFDs, AdA** and even against K7 we're doing almost good enough to get it in by that point. I think it's very close, but I'd just fold. Too nitty?

Why is this interesting?

What I find interesting (which is probably different from what whiteline finds interestnig) is that the short stack has open shoved the flop. Hero is plenty deep with the CO to consider side-pot play.

There are also ranges to consider. What if Hero is beating the SB's range, but is behind the CO's range -- and since the CO is competent, can we force him to fold his better hand some how?

Is 4betting preflop a consideration?

Yes, definitely. I think flatting and 4b are both fine.

Still thinking about this hand. Does anyone agree flat-calling is not an option? It's obviously the cheapest way to continue in the hand, but CO can flat behind us and playing the turn OOP won't be that great with SPR of 1.3 and dry side pot. It also allows CO to shove behind us with a range of NFD and AA as well as hands that have us in pretty bad shape like K + flush draw kind of hands.

Raising small probably gets some folds from some hands as strong as bare Aces or similar KQA9 hand without a flush draw. Even making him fold a 7896 type of hand is a decent result. When he shoves over a small raise his range should usually be stronger, but might still include some AA** and Ad*d** kind of hands that we're doing OK against, so I can't see ourselves folding at that point. Lastly, if the shortstack is a decent player, he's probably shoving a lot of pair + flush draw type of hands, especially considering there's only one straight draw available, and if not he might also be sitting on a double-paired hand that might've flopped a set or flush draw with 4 set outs against which we're drawing pretty thin. I'd expect him to just shove with something like KQJTds pre-flop?

Thoughts?

Yes, definitely. I think flatting and 4b are both fine.

I think flatting puts you in tougher spots than 4 betting will given your position.

I think I prefer 4betting here given stack sizes and our coldcalling opponent, although the situation where they both call and then we're facing a dry sidepot and whiff the flop is kinda gross. I think we'll be able to make smart enough decisions there though, either c/fing or shipping depending on the exact flop texture.