DJ Sensei
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very nice post, but yes I do think that this:
Are we assuming that opponents are somewhat stupid and think that a 4.5x pot raise with antes is somehow bigger than a 3x pot raise without antes even though he's receiving the same pot odds in both situations and we aren't technically raising bigger?
is probably true to a significant extent.
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Schweig
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very nice post, but yes I do think that this:
is probably true to a significant extent.
Yeah I think it might be too to an extent.
However, although most players probably haven't thought about antes that much, they may automatically be playing looser as their standard adjustment (just because there are antes). This hurts them in a lot of situations like when they are peeling too light OOP vs button raises, but in this specific SB vs BB situation it happens that they are accidentally adjusting correctly by defending looser, especially if we are stealing too much, just because of how great position is.
Whatever happens, opening up more in the worst position is never going to be amazingly profitable for us anyway, that I wouldn't suggest it as a standard.
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slycebu
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From a noob - great stuff, loved the "fundamentals" approach, looking forward to the rest of the series. I've heard all these ideas in other series here on DC, but this setup (goals of pf play, position/nuttiness/flopability, the "hand chart") really drove home some key ideas for me in a framework that I expect to really help me out.
I immediately recognized I have two very incorrect thought patterns after watching this - just in case you get some hh's that give you an opportunity to bring up these points.
One (simpler) is calling/overlimping with a wide range in position - I'm so used to this being spew in NLHE that I've been folding the button way too often, this (floppability/nuttiness/position) gives me a way to re-evaluate what I'm doing in position.
The second is that I'm getting smoked when facing 3bets, and hadn't really understood why. I knew enough to fold hands that are high nuttiness/low flopability oop, but wasn't paying enough attention to position and evaluating nuttiness+flopability relative to position.
Congrats delcrossb on your first series, you and DJ make a great team here. Careful, you've set a very high standard for the rest of the series. 
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Bigvee
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DJ Sensei
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delcrossb, you recommend to fold 5678ds UTG and at
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/5601-Episode-One?seek=3047
you recommend opening 30-40% OTB.
Well, I am one of the tighter regulars (like 24/18), still I'd open 5678ds UTG 100% of the time and roughly open 50% OTB.
So your recommendations seem to result into a very nitty preflop style, right?
1) I think its probably too tight to fold 8765ds in any position.
2) We probably will advise generally tight play at first, at least until you build up a solid framework and gain more experience.
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Schweig
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These small rundowns like 5678ds are overrated in general and I don't think it's too tight a fold at all UTG.
If the players behind you are quite loose then I think it's a definite fold; it just plays poorly multiway OOP. I think people overestimate the amount of nut flops it has and vastly underestimate the amount of trouble ones.
If they are tight sure it's fine because you'll probably get it HU and the low double suitedness has more value HU, but in general you should be lagging it up more if you had that table.
I think if we were to construct a loose range and a tight range for UTG, shifting between the two depending on table dynamics and opponent tendencies, a hand like 8765ds would be one of the first to drop out of our range when we tighten up.
IIRC in Nowhereman and KasinoKrime's video series, Hellomaha, they share a similar view of only suggest playing T high rundowns and above UTG as default.
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Bigvee
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I think low nut type hands are difficult to play, especially OOP - the type of board we want is difficult to come by and difficult to get paid off on.
Id like to have your guy's thoughts - maybe in a later part of the series about how to deal with absolute maniacs. Like the 89/70 kinda guys, I think I start cold calling a few more marginal hands in position, but rarely hit and have problems playing back against it.
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PATheDeuce
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Id like to have your guy's thoughts - maybe in a later part of the series about how to deal with absolute maniacs. Like the 89/70 kinda guys, I think I start cold calling a few more marginal hands in position, but rarely hit and have problems playing back against it.
I find these guys flat 3bets oop a ton, so I've been just 3b'ing the heck out of them when I'm in position (is this the right adjustment?). A lot of times they just call down with a ton of non nut draws and ironically, when you bet two streets they often try c/r'ing the river and allow you to check back when the draws come in.
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esporro
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Hey DJ Sensei and Delcrossb
I enjoyed your 1st episode of this series. I thought you had some really good discussion of concepts and theory.
One thing I would like to hear about it a future episode is common mistakes people make. I think this would be useful for correcting our own leaks and finding tendencies of opponents which we can exploit.
Thanks.
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