Jafeeio
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Would have loved to see Jman return for the last part of the series but this was fine also.
I really didnt like your shove with the A high flush blocker at minute 21:54 after having seen a gazillion videos where every single coach stresses that you have to be deep for this move. I just dont see him ever folding in this spot after investing this much money (except in this video of course) and we have no equity when called.
Referring to the same opponent 3 minutes later at 25:20. He reraises you oop and folds to a 4bet. Can this ever be a profitable play or is this player just trying to make a move against you after losing the pot?
Apart from that nice solid vid.
Posted about 4 years ago
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Sp00n
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Mamet
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Nice video.
Could you go into more detail about what your plan was with KKT4, at the 40:20 mark in the video? You flopped a flush draw on an 862 board OOP, donked and called a pot sized raise on the flop, leaving a turn SPR of about 1.35.
You made the comment that you were never going to get your money in way ahead on the flop, which I think is true, but is calling really a better play than shoving anyways? It seems like you put yourself in a lot of tough spots in the turn. You mentioned earlier that you had played some HU against this opponent, so maybe you had a read. Were you check/folding most turns? On which turns (besides the A of diamonds or a K) were you putting in the rest of your money?
I thought this was the most interesting hand in the video and I would like to hear more of your thoughts.
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whitelime
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Would have loved to see Jman return for the last part of the series but this was fine also.
I really didnt like your shove with the A high flush blocker at minute 21:54 after having seen a gazillion videos where every single coach stresses that you have to be deep for this move. I just dont see him ever folding in this spot after investing this much money (except in this video of course) and we have no equity when called.
Referring to the same opponent 3 minutes later at 25:20. He reraises you oop and folds to a 4bet. Can this ever be a profitable play or is this player just trying to make a move against you after losing the pot?
Apart from that nice solid vid.
Can what be a profitable play? If you're asking about folding to a 4-bet, yes there are definitely times where it's correct to do so.
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whitelime
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The A6dd95ss fold about 40 minute in (CO raises, shortstacked SB 3-bets), did you just fold because you're OOP vs the CO and your hand doesn't fare that well equitywise vs. the SB's range given that you'll be OOP and have a dry sidepot?
Are there stack sizes where you'd call here?
Rob
We have around 44-45% equity against the short stacks range, and cold calling puts us in a spot out of position against the pfr w/ really what is a non-premium hand. It also allows the pfr to isolate and 4-bet lightunless you've shown him you can have AA here. I don't think I'd call regardless of stack sizes.
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whitelime
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Nice video.
Could you go into more detail about what your plan was with KKT4, at the 40:20 mark in the video? You flopped a flush draw on an 862 board OOP, donked and called a pot sized raise on the flop, leaving a turn SPR of about 1.35.
You made the comment that you were never going to get your money in way ahead on the flop, which I think is true, but is calling really a better play than shoving anyways? It seems like you put yourself in a lot of tough spots in the turn. You mentioned earlier that you had played some HU against this opponent, so maybe you had a read. Were you check/folding most turns? On which turns (besides the A of diamonds or a K) were you putting in the rest of your money?
I thought this was the most interesting hand in the video and I would like to hear more of your thoughts.
I'm folding to a strong bet on most turns. Our hand is just too strong to fold here and shoving doesn't really accomplish anything other than getting our money in bad. Calling allows us to play turns more correctly where we fold on cards that lower our equity and continue on cards that raise our equity.
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Jeff W
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I don't remember exact details, but I would just shove the KK flush draw... I'm not going to feel good folding pretty much any turn card. It's just not that easy for him to have us crushed--sets on 862 are rare and there are a number of combo hands he can have that are well behind ours. Also, most of our draw isn't disguised, so the hand doesn't play out particularly well when we call.
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djfl
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I'm a 2-4 pro who signed up because of free flash weekend. That flat w 8654 rainbow on the button and subsequent calling a shorty's pot bet with 3 others behind you on the 794 2club flop was pretty terriballs. It really can't be justified. It's Only spew.
Calling the flop instapotraise w KKxx and 2nd nfd is pretty spew imo as well. As played, we're happy with a King on the turn obv, but nothing else. If we like our diamonds, we should just be getting it in. If not, what are we doing on the turn...checkfolding or betfolding? Getting it allin? I really think the flop is where we have to make our decision for this hand. Villain is 4.2 aggro and that wasn't really brought up.
The vid in general is good, but I stand by thinking there are a few really spewy spots.
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PhishHeadPoker
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Emil, in midstakes (2/4 3/6 and 5/10 PLO) with the nut flush blocker, how often are you getting looked up against players when you make this play? Is it less than 50%? Is it more effective on the turn or the river, in bigger or smaller pots? I know that it has been awhile since you've made this video, so I'm guessing you've probably got a better idea.........Give me a profitable answer, and I will ship you some fresh Vermont Pure Maple Syrup to go on your pancakes!!! haaaaaaaaaa....
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Zitouni
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