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Cake Poker $20.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1852914
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SB: $58.26 - VPIP: 82, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 0.8, Hands: 66
Hero (BB): $24.63 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 9, AF: 3.4,
UTG: $18.96 - VPIP: 55, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 22
CO: $13.53 - VPIP: 60, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
BTN: $19.64 - VPIP: 82, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 0.8, Hands: 66

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with A Q T K
1 fold, CO raises to $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.32, CO calls $0.92, SB calls $0.92

Flop: ($3.96) 6 9 J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.58, CO folds, SB raises to $8.70, Hero raises to $23.31, SB calls $14.61

Im pretty new to PLO and i was waiting for a spot like this one to come up vs a very Aggressive player on my right.Not really sure if it was the correct move.
Would love your thoughts guys.Thank you.

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I dont know if 3betting is better than flatting because CO is short and I dont know what to do when he 4bs tbh.

I think getting it in here is fine because of odds.

I think I flat pre.

When the SB raises I think it'showing his cards face up. On a J96r board he is basically saying he has JJ or 99 imo. So I think any fold equity we think we have is an illusion.

Saying that, we have a nice wrap, it'd be tough to lay it down IMO, (backdoor flush draw ftw)

I think pre is fine.

Flop I just call the raise since you're IP. You can make a good decision on the turn and possibly get him to make a bit mistake. If you were OOP on the flop I'd likely just jam unless you thought certain cards might get him to check back (that didn't help you). I don't think jj/99 are his only hands here - at the very least you have to add j9 and maybe j6.

Flop I just call the raise since you're IP. You can make a good decision on the turn and possibly get him to make a bit mistake.

I have been thinking about what you wrote here and I agree in general that we should exercise our advantage of having position. However, if we assume that we are always getting our money in on the turn isn't it better to shove the flop because by having turn action the villain actually has the chance to make a good decision by check/folding on cards that our bad for him?

I know this is theoretical because we can still fold a J and a 9 on the turn (I would still get it in on a 6). And in practise we also have more hands in our range. But still, there are many more cards that are bad for him than that are bad for us.

I have been thinking about what you wrote here and I agree in general that we should exercise our advantage of having position. However, if we assume that we are always getting our money in on the turn isn't it better to shove the flop because by having turn action the villain actually has the chance to make a good decision by check/folding on cards that our bad for him?

I know this is theoretical because we can still fold a J and a 9 on the turn (I would still get it in on a 6). And in practise we also have more hands in our range. But still, there are many more cards that are bad for him than that are bad for us.

given stack sizes, villain c/fs the turn very rarely. Sure he does sometimes, but I think the equity loss -remember, if he has a set he still has ~20% equity - isn't huge. Also I'd rather get my money in as an 80% favorite than a 3:2 dog, given the choice.

given stack sizes, villain c/fs the turn very rarely. Sure he does sometimes, but I think the equity loss -remember, if he has a set he still has ~20% equity - isn't huge. Also I'd rather get my money in as an 80% favorite than a 3:2 dog, given the choice.

I'd also rather get my monies in with 80% but the times we don't hit the turn we still have to call AI with 30% equity. I mean I can see the merrits to flatting the flop but it not like we have that much advantage from having position on the turn

I'd also rather get my monies in with 80% but the times we don't hit the turn we still have to call AI with 30% equity. I mean I can see the merrits to flatting the flop but it not like we have that much advantage from having position on the turn

I just don't see the need to jam when we're assuming we're never ahead and have no FE. If he ever has 2pr instead of a set and folds on an A/7 turn, we win a ton. Plus getting it in on the turn when we have 30ish% equity and are getting more than 2.5:1 isn't the end of the world. What does jamming gain us? I don't think he ever really c/fs in a way that loses us a bunch of money.

Im still not 100% on the consensus.Should i have flatted or was the shove ok?

another argument for flatting is, that when the board pairs on the turn, we can safely fold and save us some money when drawing dead, if the board doesn´t pair, the money is going in anyway.

another argument for flatting is, that when the board pairs on the turn, we can safely fold and save us some money when drawing dead, if the board doesn´t pair, the money is going in anyway.

yeah absolutely.

If we hit after flatting do we get paid off versus this villan .

Not shipping is a mistake. With this SPR he might be shipping here lots of draws beginning with bare 87 when he puts you on AA. Just think about folding turn when the turn pairs and he has 8754.
IP or OOP we have to call any turn and shoving dominates some of his draws. Vs QT87 we win on any turn rivers which don't complete a straight.

If calling the flop forces us to call the turn, then I think it's better to shove the flop ourselves because it prevents our opponents from being able to bluff us with a worse hand when his perceived range completes on the turn and it's possible he calls us with worse than a set.

I'd be much more inclined to call the flop if he weren't able to close the action on us on the turn, but I guess it comes down to whether or not we/he is capable of correctly calling or bluffing on a paired turn which means calling the flop requires a read on his turn tendencies?

C´mon he is a passive fish according to stats so his range here is 99% made hands. We definitely get value on the turn when we hit and I don´t think he is never thinking w/ 87 to "bluff" you out of aces. If he happens to fold on the turn when we hit to our magic card it´s not the end of the world cause we have the correct odds to call againts his range on the flop (40%). Besides, if he folds to an another scarecard like 7 we make a tons of money here .

So, I would call and ship it in on non paired turn. We spare money, reduce variance and play perfect againts this opponent´s range. If he was more aggressive or high c/r on the flop I would ship it in here but this guy just plays face up his cards so the best move is to call and ship on nonpaired turn.