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Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1811812
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CO: $22.68
Hero (BTN): $47.77
SB: $22.03
BB: $36.47
UTG: $27.71

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 9 Q J T
UTG raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, UTG raises to $7.85, Hero ?

Its $5.35 to call.

Villain is 24 14 with af 2.2 after 512 hands. I put him on aces like 99% of the time here. Can I call here with 100bb stacks?
Would you prefer a flat over a 3b because Im on the bttn and villain is utg?

This is completely fine so long as you call. I 3-bet slightly smaller here (see comments on another of your threads), but your 3-bet is less than pot and has certainly meant his 4-bet w/ AAxx (pretty much all he has here w/o significant info to the contrary) isn't as large as he'd want it to be making our IP call very profitable.

I don't 3-bet a guy opening UTG with 14 PFR generally - I don't think it really creates any value with any hand besides AA and if you only do it with AA I think it becomes too transparent.

I don't 3-bet a guy opening UTG with 14 PFR generally - I don't think it really creates any value with any hand besides AA and if you only do it with AA I think it becomes too transparent.

Yes, I also thought flatting would be better when I reviewed it.

Standard 3 bet-call spot for me vs any opponent.

flatting pre is definitely the play.

Trying to see if I'm gettting the reason(s) for flatting, since my kneejerk reaction is to 3!/call.

Am I overvaluing trying to get HU in position (i.e. trying to get the blinds to fold better spade draws) in 3betting even against the strong narrow UTG range? Or am I happier playing this hand multiway in position, so I don't really care if they come along since I'm going to be very picky anyway about flops I play strongly against the UTG range?

If double suited, would this be a 3! then?

When you 3bet versus a tight and strong UTG range you are just building a pot without any real equity advantage. Sure, it allows you to win it on some flops you wouldn't have and disguises your 3-betting range somewhat (sort of in that it's a non AA hand except not really because people expect you to 3bet these types of hand so people will still be somewhat worried if the board came T98).

However, you just end up playing gamble gamble when your opponent does have AA** or decided to 4bet some sort of broadway hand for stacks which is not in your favour.

Also, this hand is not actually that amazing when you take it up against a strong range, because your opponents will still put you on the bad end of the 60/40 when you flop pieces and get it in.

Hmm.. A few questions to make it sure I got this right:

- since this is a premium non AA hand, we are not 3-betting at all then? and we flat even premium aces, since 3 betting only aces is not a good idea versus a reg?
- don't we lose quite a lot of value this way?
- I don't mind gambling vs aces with this hand when he often puts his money in bad otf and we can often get away?
- I don't think PFR 14% is that tight. I think I'm about 14% myself and would LOVE it if a reg on the button would never 3-bet my UTG raises

I generally don't 3-bet at all in this spot and flat AA a lot too. We don't lose that much value because when the pot is small and you have position good things can happen too, plus it lowers variance too because you have to bet/call it off on the flop so much.

Sure you don't mind gambling versus aces but at the same time it's still a situation which is overall -EV for you. You don't mind because by the time you are 4-bet there is dead money in there but you make two calls because of pot odds essentially.

Even with the added value of getting away flops you probably still winding up coming out badly from this sitaution because you actually trade up being able to get away with the fact that you don't get to see 5 cards all the time. Plus he doesn't really put money in that bad OTF that much because the stacks are so short postflop you have to either call every time you flop just a pair, like Q45 flop.

He's 14% PFR overall though; we would be better off knowing his positional PFR stats but generally his UTG open will be a lot lower.