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I'm new to PLO( I'm a winning 10 nl/5ml/2nl player over 200 k hands), and I still only have a basic understanding of playable hands/ plus ev situations. I play 20/8 at PLO 6 max games. I'm generally a tight player in NLHE 6 mx games but at least I know how to collect dead money by isolating limpers/ c betting/ barrelling w/ equity/ 3b light etc. However, in PLO10 I noticed no one folds either pre flop or post, which is fine because I can just value bet them. BUT I'm wondering how I can profitably open up my game.

Um, that's really tight imo (an 8 for PFR is crazy low). I think you should probably start raising those hands you are folding and thinking "damn, this is close." A really simple way to open yourself up a little bit would be to open all double suited hands and all suited aces that don't have trips in them from the button if folded to. Also, all 3-cards straights 4,5,6+

As for the idea no one folds, that's fine. As you said, just value-bet. Big and often. And do it slightly lighter than you may think is ideal - if these guys aren't folding then there's certainly no need to have the nuts when you bet the river.

Yea, thanks 5carab. I've been betting for thin value on the river alot. What kind of range do you have under the gun? and do you defend 3bs w/ big broad ways rundowns that are not suited or double suited?
I know it "depends"... but on what lol

UTG I'm prolly a bit wide at times, but I'll play any 3 broadways w/ a nut flush draw, any AAxx, any KKxx, most decent rundowns, most double-paired hands and way more double suited hands than I'm supposed to. That said, if you're looking to open your game up, I really wouldn't start UTG. Start 3-betting a lot more from the BTN and opening a lot more when folded to in the CO and BTN. That would be a pretty good start imo.

As for defending 3-bets, deep IP, I call (or 4-bet) 100% and certainly a broadway rundown I'm not folding. The hands I'm looking to muck are those that really don't hit flops enough like KK83r or AJ74ss. I do think in general people are too excited to defend 3-bets in PLO though and end up call, check/folding WAY too much so I don't think having a somewhat high fold to 3-bet stat is the worst crime you could commit.

What kind of hands do you 3b? I've been told to stay away from junky AAxx

about folding junky KKxx... I recently run its equity vs AKJT rainbow, and it had decent 3 to 1 equity. I'm surprised to hear you fold it

IP I 3-bet a lot (overall around 10-11% and obv higher from CO and BTN). If someone opens cutoff, it is pretty rare I flat the button for example (assuming 100bbs deep) unless I have a hand that really benefits multi-way (ie makes the nuts a little, but rarely much else. Perhaps an AsJJ4s or something). I allow myself to 3-bet so wide by 3-betting smaller than most (only IP, from the BB for example, I pot). This benefits me because a) it allows me to 3-bet more hands which I like 'cas people suck in 3-bet pots, b) I'm not trying to fold the original raiser because action with position in PLO is probably a good thing and c) it makes 4-betting me w/ AAxx very hard because villains can't put enough of their stacks in (this is all assuming 100bbs effective obv) to just close eyes and pot the flop.

As for folding junky Ks OOP, it's not because I don't have decent equity vs a lot, it's because they play like utter s***. Unless you flop a set, you are almost certainly gonna be forced to call down very light or just punt it in and pray, not the most profitable scenario. IP I'll usually find a call 'cas it'll be easier to get to showdown without having to guess quite to wildly.

lol.. ok thanks... I'll try to 3b more...

imo 20/8 is fine in games where every pot is like 4-way. Just flat with hands that play very good multiway. 3betting more is obv not wrong but it will increase variance and your rake bb/100 which is bad for obvious reasons, but it's still very powerful vs nits ip

imo 20/8 is fine in games where every pot is like 4-way. Just flat with hands that play very good multiway. 3betting more is obv not wrong but it will increase variance and your rake bb/100 which is bad for obvious reasons, but it's still very powerful vs nits ip

What hands 'play good" MW vs those that don't?

I'm assuming being suited w/ the nuts helps..... top set doesn't seem to be that great multiway though so I'm assuming it doesn't fall into that category

Mainly hands that dominate the combo draws of other players, like you said hands with nut suits and something to go with them. Top sets do also well multiway with high SPR in loose passive games, especially with suits and/or connected cards. You overset someone in plo quite often in ssplo since people with 50-60 vpip have hands like 7754 in their range etc.
On the other hand, double paired hands perform better in spots when the SPR is low.

Thanks fror the help. After watching a JP Kelly video for begginers, I've come to the coclusion that being so tight isn't all that bad. I'm still struggling with knowing why' when to 3 b but believe I have a better understanding of preflop hand selection/ range construction thanks to this webiste I found through 2p2

http://en.donkr.com/forum/the-ultimate-poker-strategy-guide-533519

Overall, I've been crusing my stakes over a small sample