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600NL: TPTK on river


hurricane562

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villain: 18/14/3 on 2k hands, no notes

pre: 3bet is standard but as we r semideep i just flatted
flop: given the stacksizes a c/r is spew imo
turn: i could lead but here i didnt
river: wtf????? is he valueraising KJ or somethin here or do we only have bluffcatcher?

Poker Stars $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 540070
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SB: $4271.20
Hero (BB): $966.85
UTG: $978.00
MP: $702.25
CO: $600.00
BTN: $992.50

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with A Heart J Spade
3 folds, BTN raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($27.00) 9 Diamond J Club 4 Spade (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $22, Hero calls $22

Turn: ($71.00) 4 Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($71.00) 7 Diamond (2 players)
Hero bets $42, BTN raises to $138, Hero????

Posted almost 2 years ago

Curtlow

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Seems like a weird line to take with KJ, QJ. I would assume he would bet the turn since that card didn't change anything and you will likely call another bet with a worse J, 9x, and get value from draws like QT and T8. Looks to me like he hit 2 pair or set of 7's on the river. I think I fold here unless i've seen him taking these lines with weak hands like KJ. To me he's really overplaying his hand if he has KJ. Will be difficult to get called by worse unless he thinks you will think he is bluffing here.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Dobert4ever

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not really only a bluffcatcher but I doubt that we can 3bet the river 4 value, so I´d call.
I don´t wanna fold cause he doesn´t rep a lot here and ur line looks kinda weak too imo.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Curtlow

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not really only a bluffcatcher but I doubt that we can 3bet the river 4 value, so I´d call.
I don´t wanna fold cause he doesn´t rep a lot here and ur line looks kinda weak too imo.



But we can only beat a bluff and how often do you think villins going to be bluffing when he takes a b/c/r line?

Posted almost 2 years ago

NLFool

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hereo's flop line isn't weak at all. He has to lead the river because its most likely going to get checked behind.

He's repping 77 here only or a really weirdly played monster and in my opinion if hes a competent reg and if he knows your a competent reg this is always for value.

I fold as you only have a bluff catcher

Posted almost 2 years ago

Curtlow

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He's repping 77 here only or a really weirdly played monster and in my opinion if hes a competent reg and if he knows your a competent reg this is always for value.



I think he could play T8 and 97 this way also, but your right that its pretty much always for value and never a hand we can beat.

Posted almost 2 years ago

badgers

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Curtlow

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But we beat 97...



oops you are correct sir we do. Still don't think its a call and he might not raise that hand since we can easily have a J when we lead the river.

Posted almost 2 years ago

NLFool

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I think he could play T8 and 97 this way also, but your right that its pretty much always for value and never a hand we can beat.



sorry your right I didn't even see those

Posted almost 2 years ago

Chris MintZ

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Do you think he would ever take a small PP and raise this as a bluff bc with that line he could either fold all missed draws from you which he beats anyway but if you vbet thin he most likely will be able to get you off of those bc you really can't have anything that strong here.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Curtlow

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Do you think he would ever take a small PP and raise this as a bluff bc with that line he could either fold all missed draws from you which he beats anyway but if you vbet thin he most likely will be able to get you off of those bc you really can't have anything that strong here.



I think its a leak to just "assume" that someone can make a move like this. It would be something I would have to have a concrete read on. Plus we could have a 4 going for a c/r on the turn and a draw we could have had got their on the river. 90% of the time this is for value with a hand that has us beat.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Nolan

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Curtlow

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but will he fold 77 if you ship it



never! we would c/r JJ and 99 on the flop, and most likely 3bet JJ pre. I would never fold it.

Posted almost 2 years ago




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