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dohdohdoh

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Opponent is 12/8/3.5. Pretty tight. I put his range as pocket pairs mostly as he's limped EP with the rest of the table still to act.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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CO: $111.90
BTN: $102.70
SB: $26.35
BB: $136.80
UTG: $95.55
Hero (UTG+1): $169.85
MP1: $97.00
MP2: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q Spade Q Heart
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, MP1 calls $4, 5 folds

Flop: ($9.50) J Spade Q Diamond 6 Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

>>> As I put him on a PP, I want him to either bluff at the board or catch up on the turn. I'm not too worried about 10/9s, I think this is pretty remote.

Turn: ($9.50) T Diamond (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP1 raises to $20, Hero calls $14

>>> Now I'm thinking he's just fighting for the pot here. I'm hoping he's made a set. But his re-raise starts ringing alarm bells. Could he have limped with AK? It's not how I would play it, but it's a possibility. 89s? That's remote but not impossible.

River: ($49.50) 2 Spade (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $31, Hero ?

>>> Now here's an issue. If I put him on a PP/set, I've got the biggest set. Do I re-raise? My alarm bells are still ringing AK/89s here also and my spidey sense is twitching.

Ideas?

Posted almost 5 years ago

Stonewalled

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I'm confused. You say a couple of times that he limped, but he cold-called your raise. ????

Flop: I'm definitely betting. I want to get value from the various made hands/draws that easily could have hit him. I also want to build the pot with my big hand, and usually the best way to do that is to bet. Your line also becomes suspicous to people, causing big pots not to develop, i.e., when you raise preflop, check a board that you would often c-bet on, and then later start betting big, you are screaming, "I have a huge hand." I also want to "protect" my c-bets with air by also betting with my big hands.

Turn: Bet is right, although I might make it a little more, maybe $7. When he raises, I think flat calling is fine. He's generally not going to continue if you 3-bet unless he has a str8 -- b/c your line looks an awful lot like AK.

River: I'd probably lead (and commit myself to the pot) b/c I would be afraid he's checking behind a lot of hands he calls with. As played, it's a tough choice between calling and c/r. The reason you can think about a c/r here is b/c you under-repped your hand on the river and he can easily be value betting his 2-pair, etc. and will be committed to the pot (he only has $42 left). If you were deeper, you wouldn't want to c/r b/c you would be opening yourself up to a river 4-bet that would be very ugly.

Posted almost 5 years ago

dohdohdoh

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Sorry I mean flat called rather than limped. I think in UTG+2 hands like AA, KK, QQ, AK are an automatic 3-bet. PPs are an auto-call. I think suited connectors are somewhat loose and -ev here.

Flop : I'm trying to get value from my hand. And by that I'm 90% sure he has a pocket pair. I want to at least give him a chance to bluff at the pot or pick up a set on the turn. He's folding 10/10 south here if I bet the flop. If I check the flop, I just might get some more monies if he bluffs, and ideally catches up on the turn.

The turn scared me slightly, wtf does he have he's raising with on this board? My line looks so like AK.

River : well, I just got that feeling that he might well have limped, however strange, with AK in UTG+2. So I decide to check/call. He shows AK.....bizarre?

Posted almost 5 years ago

Stonewalled

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Well, I think what you really want is a big pot when you flop a set. So, I wouldn't really care too much about picking up an extra bet from TT, etc., that might fold if you bet (btw, he might call a bet on the flop with TT). I'd be more interested in winning a big pot, so I bet in order to win one -- and you wouldn't win a big pot from TT anyhow.

AK is not expected, but if he's good enough to think your calling 3-bet range is really narrow, he might flat there in order to play against a range that his AK is well ahead of. That's what I do sometimes against a player that I perceive is a good TAG.

Posted almost 5 years ago

dohdohdoh

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AK is not expected, but if he's good enough to think your calling 3-bet range is really narrow, he might flat there in order to play against a range that his AK is well ahead of. That's what I do sometimes against a player that I perceive is a good TAG.



I think the danger is in opening the door for lots of set-mining value. You don't want that with AK. He'll maybe win some 50bb or less pots, and end up losing some 100bb pots except against fish. So I think his play is -ev.

Also, if he is reading my range, he'll know I fold KQs utg+1 at FR.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Stonewalled

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I think the danger is in opening the door for lots of set-mining value. You don't want that with AK. He'll maybe win some 50bb or less pots, and end up losing some 100bb pots except against fish. So I think his play is -ev.

Also, if he is reading my range, he'll know I fold KQs utg+1 at FR.



I 3-bet AK a healthy majority of the time. Just saying flatting can sometimes be okay. Also, when flatting, usually there's not much danger of having to play a 100bb pot (or shouldn't be).

Posted almost 5 years ago

ken aces

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yeah i think i bet this flop close to 100% as there are a lot more hands than just pp in most guys cc range(i wish HEM had cc stat) and i am hoping to play a big pot

as played i think i just call the river as AK is definitely a big part of his range - trust the spider sense. there are more combos of AK(16 combos) than QJs,66,JJ,TT(10 combos) but i guess there is an outside chance at KK,AA,AQ,JTs or some bluff raise on the turn with AJd that will never call a river shove

Posted almost 5 years ago

jessyj

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The turn scared me slightly, wtf does he have he's raising with on this board? My line looks so like AK.


Your line does look like AK but he doesn't care and I think he has AK a ton here but I'm not good enough to make this fold yet. Stonewalled is right on with building a pot when you flop a set. I also think MP1's preflop play is fine depending on what he thinks you open in EP.

Posted almost 5 years ago




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