Freudian
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I liked the video, primarily because you played pretty straightforward. I sometimes notice a tendency to overdo double and triple barrels in videos but here even though there was some marginal spots to do so you avoided it.
Preflop betsizing is probably more suited for NL200 than NL25-NL50. Down there you can have 4x as a standard and 3x for steals because you get threebet less.
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NLFool
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lol @ canadian accent.
as a 6max player learning to roll with the nits, explain your preflop raise sizing? it seems very small.
I'm a very laggy player and my VPIP, fluctuates between 20-26 depending on the # of tables I'm playing and the table dynamics. This PFR sizing is not necessary if your a 14/10 type player. If your playing a nitty or TAG style your better off to go with 3-4x because your hand strength in general will be much better then mine. I do think that anything more then 3x on the button or cutoff is a mistake in my opinion regarless of your stats.
Benefits:
Lose less when 3 bet
Better implied odds when I want to play in a 3 bet pot
Able to open a wider range
When stealing it intices players in the blinds to call with marginal hands out of position without initiative more often, which isn't an issue because I can take down a lot of pots postflop whith correctly applied aggression. Who here really wants to play a big pot with A3 on a A78K2 board Out of position when I fire 3 barrels and force you to play in a big pot with a marginal hand?
Cons:
Lose a little value when I raise preflop with the top of my range
Players will call speculative hands vs me more often.
there are more pros/cons but thats a general idea
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NLFool
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In the 88 hand on table 2, on the turn you said if the villain leads out you are definitely calling. You have almost no hands on him, I was just wondering your reasoning, because you didn't really good too much into it. It is interesting to me because this is a standard check flop, fold turn bet at 50NL for me.
Idk y time link isn't working but its at like 8:30...
Sometimes the way to get the most value from a hand and the easist way to play it are 2 completely different things.
If your only going to cbet hands that hit you or hands that you have good equity with and check fold hands that are marginal or weak you become very exploitable. I am just as likely to check this flop back with AJ on a J10x board vs some opponents if I don't think I can get 3 streets of value. Doing this allows the villain to bet into me on the turn with worse hands or air when he normally would check fold them on the flop. It also allows me to get 2 streets of value where a lot of the times I normally would only get one or none if villain held a hand like 10A on this flop and I held AJ, because if I held a J, why wouldn't I bet it? Obviously vs the fish I am going for 3 streets of value with AJ on a J10x board
If I'm checking back this flop it's with the intention of calling a c-bet on 90% of turns because when I check back the flop, I am going to induce bluffs from opponents a fair % of the time.
In the video I didn't explain myself properly. The only cards I would consider folding to on the turn are an A, K or Q and the A fell in this hand. If villain led into me on this turn I am folding here a vast majority of the time.
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NLFool
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Hi NLFool. I'm watching the vid now and it's great so far. Maybe this is a rookie question, but why is this such a terrible CBET? (@ 5:52 on table 4)
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/2051-NLFool-1-200NL-6-tabling?seek=352
Aren't you ahead of much of their range there? and you may get called by a worse Ax or flush draw? It's also possible that the flop missed them completely and you can just take it down there - like you did.
Thanks in advance.
There are a multitide of reasons why this board is a bad board to c-bet on, the main reason being that the board can get very nasty for me. You have to think ahead to future streets and evaluate all the possible scenarios that can occur before you make the decision to c-bet or not. C-betting because you are ahead of their range is not enough of a reason to cbet.
Before you make a decision to c-bet this flop you need to know what your plan is on the turn and if possible the river ahead of time. If your not thinking at least 1 street ahead your not thinking the hand thru well enough.
Reasons to not c-bet this flop:
- This board can get very ugly very quickly. 18 cards can fall on the turn that put me in a bad spot,any diamond, 3, 6 or A.
-Villains are unknowns, I have no idea as to their post flop tendencies, are they fit or fold or are they peeling any 2?
- I think I have very little fold equity vs 2 opponents on this board texture. I expect their calling or checkraising range to be greater then their folding range
-I am out of position vs one of the opponents.
-I am not betting for value, I am betting as a bluff or semi-bluff and I am out of position vs one of the opponents
- this is a flop that I would expect to get checkraised on with a larger then normal frequency if my opponents are aggresive.
-what do I do if I am called and the board blanks and I miss? How do I react to that when I'm unsure if my opponents are calling with Overcards Overpairs, Draws, slowplayed nut hands, combo draws etc? Do I fire a 2nd barrel hoping that they are on a draw, and then again hope that they fold to a 2nd barrel? Do I again fire a 3rd barrel on the river when the board bricks hoping to fold out that stubborn 99 hand?
-what do I do if an A falls or a 3? What about a Q of diamonds? Do I check behind the turn for pot control or do I value bet? If I check the turn behind for pot control and then get led into on the river are they bluffing their missed draw because its obvious I checked behind for pot control or are they betting their better hands?
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ohjoy
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I'm a very laggy player and my VPIP, fluctuates between 20-26 depending on the # of tables I'm playing and the table dynamics. This PFR sizing is not necessary if your a 14/10 type player. If your playing a nitty or TAG style your better off to go with 3-4x because your hand strength in general will be much better then mine. I do think that anything more then 3x on the button or cutoff is a mistake in my opinion regarless of your stats.
Benefits:
Lose less when 3 bet
Better implied odds when I want to play in a 3 bet pot
Able to open a wider range
When stealing it intices players in the blinds to call with marginal hands out of position without initiative more often, which isn't an issue because I can take down a lot of pots postflop whith correctly applied aggression. Who here really wants to play a big pot with A3 on a A78K2 board Out of position when I fire 3 barrels and force you to play in a big pot with a marginal hand?
Cons:
Lose a little value when I raise preflop with the top of my range
Players will call speculative hands vs me more often.
there are more pros/cons but thats a general idea
would you change this strategy vs tougher lineups? i saw you open like 2,5x from the hijack or mpwhateverisbeforethat and it seems like it could become a pretty shitty spot for you if you have a good player, or several good players, behind you etc?
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NLFool
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would you change this strategy vs tougher lineups? i saw you open like 2,5x from the hijack or mpwhateverisbeforethat and it seems like it could become a pretty shitty spot for you if you have a good player, or several good players, behind you etc?
I don't alter my bet size but if there are good regs behind me or regs that like to 3 bet a lot I will tighten up my range
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What type of tables do you table select for: tight ones so as to use your LAG style to steal?
About the only table selection critria I use is to not have the 20-30 BB short stacks to my immediate left. If theres a super fish somewhere I put my name on the waiting list and join that table when its available and replace it with one of my other tables. Other then that I sit down at the 1st tables I can
Once you hit 400NL+ you will spend the vast majority of the time playing against regs.
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