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NL 100 Broke QQ on Turn in 3betpot?

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Marcif

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Hi folks, it´s my first post, so i hope i can get some help here.

Villain plays 12/10/AFq 55/3bet 3,2. Because he doesn´t 3bet too much and I´m in position I don´t want to 4bet pre. Thus there are much cards i don´t wanna see on the river i bet the turn and then i think I´m committed to call the push. What do you do on the turn? Check behind?

I´m happy about every comment.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1856432
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BTN: $96.64
SB: $52.00
BB: $106.50
UTG: $134.03
UTG+1: $104.69
UTG+2: $100.00
MP1: $188.68
Hero (MP2): $101.75
CO: $35.35

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP2 with Q Club Q Heart
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, BB raises to $11, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($22.50) 8 Heart 2 Diamond 9 Diamond (2 players)
BB bets $13.96, Hero calls $13.96

Turn: ($50.42) 4 Spade (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $25.03, BB raises to $81.54 all in, Hero calls $51.76 all in

River: ($204.00) A Heart (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $204.00

Posted 10 months ago

Poemmel

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I'd just minraise the flop and get it in.
you don't want to see a J, K, A or diamond and the pot is already pretty big.

Posted 10 months ago

urb

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I'd just minraise the flop and get it in.


If those stats are accurate (it would be nice if people posted sample sizes), villains 3b range is QQ+, AK. Maybe JJ or occasional bluff. Against this range (he probably folds AK to a raise) I would not be to eager to get it in on the flop.
His turn x/r also looks very strong. Against most players it's easy call but folding vs this nit could be the best play.

Posted 10 months ago

Poemmel

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his overall 3bet percentage is 3,2%
that doesn't mean that his range is the top 3,2% of hands in this spot
he might flat AK/QQ, probably sometimes KK and AA vs an early position raise and he can have bluffs against a hijack open from the BB.

Posted 10 months ago

Marcif

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From which hands we beat you want to get a call when getting it in on the flop, Poemmel?

Sample size for the stats were 735 hands.

Posted 10 months ago

Poemmel

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From which hands we beat you want to get a call when getting it in on the flop, Poemmel?

Sample size for the stats were 735 hands.



whats his 3bet percentage vs the different positions?
you should have that in your HUD somewhere Wink

if we raise/call the flop we count on mainly JJ and TT, probably some spazz shoves with gutshots like QTo or whatever the heck he might bluff 3bet with pre.

but if he is that tight he probably doesn't 3bet JJ and TT...
actually a call on the flop might be the better option the more I think about it.

but we can't bet/call the turn for sure if his range is not wide enough to raise/call the flop.
against such a uber nit it's prolly the best to just check it down.

Posted 10 months ago

urb

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but we can't bet/call the turn for sure if his range is not wide enough to raise/call the flop.
against such a uber nit it's prolly the best to just check it down.


I prefer bet/folding line. We loose the same amount as when we check back, but we deny free card for AK which still has decent chance to catch up. Of course if he is capable of check.shoving this turn with AK than betting sucks.

Posted 10 months ago

DjuNKeLL

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I prefer bet/folding line. We loose the same amount as when we check back, but we deny free card for AK which still has decent chance to catch up. Of course if he is capable of check.shoving this turn with AK than betting sucks.



If he is capable of check shoving AK OTT it is great because we can bet/call profitably.

I prefer flatting pre. Villain is polarized and I think by 4betting we only get it in with the top of his range. Also ,The afq is superhigh which makes it more likely that villain will fire three streets here with a wider range.

I bet the turn around 18-22 and probably snap it if he shoves, again given his high afq. There is no need to bet the turn that big given the stack sizes and still want to make villain believe he has some FE vs your turnbet. Besides, betting smaller OTT is generally better here if you think you cant call vs a check shove.

Posted 10 months ago

Poemmel

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high Agression Frequencie is absolutely no argument to bet call the turn.
if I'd play 12/10 I'd also have an incredibly high AFQ, because I just always have the fuckin nuts Grin

Posted 10 months ago

urb

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If he is capable of check shoving AK OTT it is great because we can bet/call profitably.


Sure, if he does it every time with this hand which I doubt. So if his range for check shoving this turn is let's say 80% KK+ and 20% NFD+AK than we can't call profitably, but we do get bluffed of best hand sometimes.
I wonder what is correct check shoving range in this spot for villain?

Posted 10 months ago




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