Pinko Panther
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Time Link to 00:06:46
Villain in BB on tables 2 tanks and makes a really small 5bet after seeing a short fish flat your 4bet in the sb. Is there any argument for this being a rare spot to get away from AK? His line just looked absurdly strong as I rarely expect anyone to ever do this with JJ/QQ.
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Pinko Panther
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Time Link to 00:21:34
With QQ, like you said, villain's getting it in range here is mostly AK/AA/KK and he probably folds most other hands. However, it's not inconceivable for people to think your line looks like a good squeeze from the button. Thus, a small 4bet would actually a be a good bluff by the initially opener if he's thinking well. So, with that in mind, since you're ahead of most bluffs and crushed by a "get-it-in" range, what do you think of flatting the 4bet here in order to keep his bluff range wide and trying to get his bluffs to put in a bit extra? It seems that if we are going to get stacked by better hands anyway, we might as well try and squeeze a bit of value out of his air after the flop. What are your thoughts?
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Pinko Panther
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DjuNKeLL
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What hand range you think is ideally to cold 4 bet bluff in such spots? And 'how frequently' do you attack such spots (as these spots come up a lot) ? As you menioned, you think this player pool will not play back, which probably means you can play back a lot in these spots.
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Noreaga
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I wanted to see the call for education with K9 lol.
Nice video man, you`re a funny guy.
I would really like to see you and Ansky switch for next week (maybe an idea), him playing FR and you 6m, get the best of both worlds.
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kybert'76
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TBH i expected more from this ZOOM series, I think the educational value of this series (at least for me) has been slim to none. funny, yeah sure.. but haven't really seen slowlane talk in depth about certain spots,ranges, dynamics or w/e
Watching this vid leads me to believe you haven't really played much ZOOM at all. Liked the last video from poemmel better, not because of the quality of the vids but because he was atleast making an effort at analyzing spots in depth in the comments.. something I haven't seen slowlane do tbh outside of laughing at the nits and calling for education.
I just feel like you can get way more out of zoom videos than what I'm seeing here, not flaming but just handing out some constructive criticism hoping for some quality improvement in the zoom video department.
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I'm pretty sure 4betting AA in this spot is more +EV than just calling. It probably would be better for CO to shove his remaining stack instead of making such a strong looking pot committing 4bet though.
You could make an argument calling with a 50bb stack to keep two guys in the hand is the best play, if you think the BTN is 3betting a half-stack light and the SB is cold calling the 3bet rather light. Without any reads I think it is a mistake to assume such a thing. To be honest I think 90% of the time it’s a mistake to assume such a thing in small stakes FR Zoom.
In my opinion vs. a 50bb stack most people get it in pre with AQ+, TT+. Some might get it in even a little bit lighter. By calling you lose tremendous value from AQ, AK and TT, JJ, QQ. These hands flop nothing or a board with an overcard way too often, while almost nobody would find a fold pre (unless the CO is a 6/4 or so). I don’t think getting a little bit more value from hands like KQs, AJs or maybe 99 is worth a call with AA here.
Assuming the CO has a 100bb stack it is still better to 4bet AA I think. Threads13 showed in one of his last videos that it would take a very, very aggressive opponent to make a call a better play. Unless you have a solid read somebody is 3betting light and then barrelling off with a very wide range 4betting AA is the better play even vs. the standard tight AK, QQ+ getting in range.
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