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Had my best session ever yesterday, made few mistakes but this hand was mis-played IMO.

($700) UTG+1 limps (LAG player who is playing approxamently half his hands, ISO raising the LAG to his right non-stop and playing fairly well post-flop. Most his CB's have been 1/2 pot, when he gets to the turn he bets all kinds of sizes based on board texture and his opponent (I've seen turn bets from 1/4 pot to 3/4 pot).

($124) MP2 limps along, this guy is a regular in the games (always buys short for $100) and plays pretty tight. He usually folds to a decent size raise when he limps and faces a raise but sometimes calls after limping if it's multi-way and he's got a hand that warrants a call. Looks to open shove or C/R often post flop.

($850) I raise to $12 w/ A3 Hero---SELF PROCLAIMED IDIOT
I have a tight image to anyone that's paying attention, which for this particular hand only apply's to UTG+1.

($125) BU calls, Loose passive player with no clue post flop. Bets small with made hands and is mostly a calling station but prides him self on being capable of bluffing and showing the hand. Has done so 3 times this session, and he fires large on his bluffs. Hand before this one he got his hand caught in the cookie jar when trying to bluff so he might be calling with anything.

Blinds fold out, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds and we go to the flop 3-way

Flop pot=$37 after rake 642

UTG+1 stack is $688--bets $28 ($660 behind) He fires at most flops so this doesn't surprise me, I was surprised he didn't raise PF, so I put him on an implied odds type of hand.

HERO has opposition covered, I pause to look for reads (I do this every street, and highly recommend it to other live players. PPL will literally act out of turn or start to fold) and think about raising or trying to keep BU in the hand and add deception to the hand. BU acts out of turn and calls so I determine a call is just fine.

BU $113 as stated above calls.

Turn pot=$120 after rake J

UTG+1 stack is $660 He fires $45, I don't know if he's trying to target the BU or if it's a feeler type of bet. I've seen him fire small like this before but he folded to a raise or didn't go to showdown the other hands.

HERO has opposition covered, I want to keep the BU around was my thought and didn't want to blow UTG+1 off his hand. I also think UTG+1 might fire the river. This is where I think I messed up.......I just called.

BU $85--shoves AI for $85, UTG+1 calls as does Hero. Heads up to the river.

River pot=$375 2

UTG+1 has $575 I got him covered and he checks the river. Is he going for a C/R,? Nah I think he'd bet a boat here, What can I get value from? Over pair w/ a spade draw, but I think he raises with those hands PF. I can get called by a Worse flush, I start to consider 35s that flopped a ST8 as a strong possible holding. If he's got K of spades maybe he played it this way but he's auto mucking that now that it missed. I finally think I figure it out I can get value from JK where he hit TP on the turn and had the 2nd nut FD.

I bet $100 thinking I can fold to a raise. (thoughts on bet size here?)

I think I should have raised the turn to about $140-180?

Thanks guys

If anyone wants to link posts or video series to watch on deep stack play it would be appreciated. Or just discuss theory here, what type of hands you play vs certain villians and why. Things that become even more exploitable when stacks are deep.

I'd just raise the flop, if I did flat I'd raise the turn. When the guy shoves for 85 does that reopen the action? If it does I'd just raise here. Creating the dry sidepot on the river really sucks

Of and use the forum code for the suits like is :club_: with no "_"

hmm....I think it's a reasonable spot to slow play. Maybe someone hits a K high FD on the turn. What do you raise it too on the flop? I don't think the raise on the turn opens the action up, I think shorty would have had to raise to $90 for the action to re-open. I really wish I knew though because I wanted to raise but I didn't want to ask during the hand and tip off my hand, and I'm pretty sure it would have to be double the original raise to re-open.

I think you should be raising flop almost always. The BTN is shallow to start the hand, so keeping him in isn't that important. You're going after the UTG+1 $$$. You guys are really deep, so the only way to get all the money in the middle of the table is to start building the pot asap.

HERO has opposition covered, I pause to look for reads (I do this every street, and highly recommend it to other live players. PPL will literally act out of turn or start to fold) and think about raising or trying to keep BU in the hand and add deception to the hand. BU acts out of turn and calls so I determine a call is just fine.

I like the pause, the BU calling out of turn is the best outcome you could have hoped for. Now that his chips are out there, there's all the more reason to raise, but I think you should make it small enough to keep him in. I think calling to keep the BTN in is a valid consideration, but once he has called out of turn, that rational for calling no longer applies.

Slowlane has a RUSH series with some good deep stack play vid's.

Stan

once he has called out of turn, that rational for calling no longer applies.

The dealer returned the guys chips and informed him it wasn't his turn to act.

Fist of all tell me you play at Foxwoods in Connecticut, so we can meet and watch each other for tells.

Now, I agree with Shuttle, raise the flop to 2/3 or 3/4 of total pot here, that would be around 50 when you have to at least match his bet. I'd do this to represent a fear of villian holding a big spade and drawing to a flush, you know something like AK-AJ one of witch is a spade.

On the turn I'd go for a bet of 2/3 to get ready for a river push hoping his AJ just made top pair.

This would make the river decision easy. You'd probably have the odds to push even though a boat is on board, or whimp out like I would and just make a small value bet.
All in all better to just bet and raise then play "tricky play syndrome"

The value of trapping goes down a ton at this stack depth, you want to get the whole stack in vs the first guy and not create a reverse implied odds disaster by trapping and then putting in all the money when someone else boats up.

Sorry Harley,

I play at the Horseshoe in Indiana.

Shuttle makes some good points, priority is too build the pot vs the deep stack who is showing so far that his hand is worth betting.

Shuttle you make it $75 on the flop when he donks?

I'm glad I posted this hand because I thought my mistake was on the turn, but thinking about it more and reading Shuttles response I guess I should have raised the flop.

The deeper you are, earlier you should try to build the pot (3 betting bigger pre, raising flop instead of turn etc...). As few mentionned, I think that raising the flop would accomplish that. Plus this is a multiway pot, so there are a lot of worse hands that will pay you off here, so bet when you are ahead. I think that slowplaying in deep stacks play will be very costly in the long run.

Thanks so much for your post Mr. Shuttle!