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kobe24poker

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Villian in SB is 38/0 over 13 hands and has folded to 1 out of 5 CB's so far.

UTG min raise opener is 100/77 over 13 hands where he has CB 6 out of 7 hands, 3B one hand, limp folded 1 hand, and has folded to 3 out of 4 CB's when he's faced them. I have 3 others yet to act who are VPIP's over 35+ so I decide to min raise which looking back I think I should either flat, or raise larger when I ISO raise. No one at the table is 3Bing besides the player to my right and me.

Opinions on ISO riasing instead of flatting?

BTN: $8.10
SB: $9.90
BB: $10.00
UTG: $7.46
UTG+1: $10.71
Hero (MP1): $10.00
MP2: $8.95
CO: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP1 with A Heart T Club
UTG raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.30) T Diamond 2 Diamond T Spade (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.86, SB calls $0.86, UTG folds

Turn: ($3.02) 4 Diamond (2 players)
SB checks, [color=red]Hero ??????????????

How do you play the turn? If you check back....why? If you bet how much and why? (also what do you do vs a raise large and small and why?

Posted 12 months ago

MaskedManQc

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If you want to iso raise, make it bigger. I mean, from the fish perspective, calling a 0.40$ raise is the same as calling a 0.30$ raise isnt it? You iso because you want to play alone with the bad player. So you have 2 reasons to make it bigger. First, he is bad and you want to play big pots vs him and exploit his weaknesses. Second, you want to take his money before the other do, you want to discourage then from calling. Make it at least 3x.

OTF, you flopped what looks like the nuts (yes they can have a boat, but vs such wide ranges, trips is like the nuts) vs players that has such a wide range. You should make it bigger on the flop. You can get called by so many draws (100VPIP have a zillion draws that he will never fold, so make him pay) and flop is 3 way. Vs this kind of player on a drawy board, make it at least 1$. You could even bet pot here to get max value.

OTT, what do you think vilain's range is? Do you think you can get value from worse? If so, what worse hands can call you OTT and what better hand call as well? So in short, do you think we can value bet here? Can vilain call us with worse Tx, 2 pairs, overcards with a FD?

If you bet and face a small raise, you have to call. You can still be ahead, but if you are not and you are getting good odds, you can still hit a boat OTR and if he has a flush, you have tremendous implied odds vs this kind of player. If the raise is on the bigger side, it will depend on the overall aggression frequency of the vilain and the odds you will be getting (can he play 2 pairs or trips this way) and do you still have good enough pot odds ans implied odds to justify the call.

Posted 12 months ago

kobe24poker

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Thanks for the response, very helpful!

I still don't know if a flat or ISO riase is better, I have a hand that is better than his range but not great. There are also a bunch of other fish which I don't mind if they come along, but I also don't mind getting heads up either.

I agree with the flop bet size being off, I was trying 8 tables for the 1st time and just hit 3/4 pot button. I had too much going on at the time (I think I should drop back down to 4 tables).

I do think some pocket pairs call the turn especially if they have a diamond, I think some bare diamonds might chase the flush, and of course worse tens are calling. I think I can value bet and I did. I had the intention of bet folding a $1.20 to a large raise because I thought he had diamonds that hit but when villian raised to $2.50 I called making the pot $8.02.

Villian fired $5.71 into the river leaving him w/ 43 cents left over which confused the hell out of me and got me to call.

Posted 12 months ago

MaskedManQc

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ATo is an OK hand, but this is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ahead of a 100/77 range. Smile
There is no doubt you should iso raise here and this is not even an iso raise, that is a 3 bet for fat value (unless he folds to 3 bet...).

Also, ATo don't usually play super well in a multiway pot, Most of the time, you will flop TPGK that play well 2 or 3 way.

How much did you bet OTT? If I understand well, you made it 1.20$ I think that you could make it at least 2, vs that kind of player that is not that thin.... I think you have to bet for value here vs such a wide range. Also, you still have to call a lot for the reasons stated above, you still have some outs (3 x A, 1 x T, probably 3 x 2 and 3 x 4, so you could have up to 10 outs to the nuts). Plus when you hit, you win what is already in the pot, but most of the time you will win what this player has left in his stack....

Also, if you bet bigger OTT, your decision OTR is a lot easier because you will get much better odds and you don't need to be good that often to make it a profitable call. Other than that, the decision OTR depends on how aggro he is. So far, he seems to be on the aggressive side (77 PFR, very high cbet despite a super wide range, did 3 bet already) and has a super wide range, so these are good arguments for calling. Don't forget that you need to be good only 29% of the time here to make the call EV+ and that would be even less if you make it bigger OTT.

Posted 12 months ago

kobe24poker

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Good points, but it was a too part question vs two different players. If you re-read the 1st post I was asking about the Iso or flat vs the 100/77 which I think you've nailed on the dot. The second part to the question was when I am heads up on the turn vs the SB who is 38/0 folds to 1 out of 5 CB's in 13 hands thus far.

When I bet $1.20 into $3.02 I guess that just screams raise me huh? I just thought the SB was calling the flop w/ diamonds, pocket pair or possibly a bare diamond. Guess he could have the last Ten in the deck as well. I figure this small bet probably doesn't get raised by this 38/0 who tends to just call, and if he bombs I'll muck. I also figured I get value vs the majority of his range and he'd probably check the river if he only call the dollar twenty, which means I can check back or bet again on the river after re-evaluating.

Posted 12 months ago

MaskedManQc

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Ok, sorry I really missed that flop was called by SB and not UTG. That definitely change a few things. I still think that you can bet for value OTT. He seems super passive and calls a lot of flops. So his range OTT is still pretty wide. I think that betting around 2$ is still fine. He might have called with 2 overs that now has a FD, trips, 2 pairs....

I think that you are right on when you say that a small bet don't get raised by a passive player. When this type of player raise, this screams "I have the nuts". I still think that betting 2$ OTT and call his raise is the way to go. River is different if he never showed aggression so far.

If he only flat the turn, I still think you can bet a decent amount on the river and get valled by worse T and some good 2 pairs hands vs that kind of player.

What is his postflop aggression so far?

Posted 12 months ago