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Stacks:

UTG (V1) 300.00
UTG+1 (Hero) 250.00
CO (V2) 110.00

Hero is Dealt (AcQd)

UTG calls $2.00
Hero raises to $7.00
CO calls $7.00
UTG calls $5.00

Total Pot: $24.00
Flop: Qh 9c 6h

UTG bets $16.00
Hero calls $16.00
CO goes all in for $103.00
UTG folds

Hero: ??????

My thoughts on the hand;
* The CO villain has just sat down, I'll never seen him before and have no reads.
* There are a ton on draws on the flop that a drunk person might spaz on (it's 3AM on a Saturday Night)
* I originally called the UTG villains donk bet because I thought that was the best way to get max value from an inferior Q.


This seems like a snap fold spot, but I'm wondering if I should ever consider calling, given the presence of so many draws?

There is already 159 in the pot and you have to call another 87, so you need 35,3 % equity to call. Against a range of 66,99, Q9s, 96s, Ahxh, KhJh, KhTh, JhTh you have 37% equity, so close but a call. Now you have to estimate wheter he jams those draws or even more? also if he even calls Q9s and 96s pre, or even calls Q6 or Q9o. Your ahead of most draws, so the more you can put in his range, the moore Vhands can be in there for you to call.

I think online this is quite a close spot, but at 3 am Saturday in a casino against a guy that just sat down I am pretty sure this has got to be a call.

Call!!!!!!!

Unless I know him as a tight reg, I don't think I am ever, ever folding here.

I tend to play live tighter only because the players tend to be more passive and their aggression therefore stronger. BUT, many live players on this flop with AhXh will view their hand as the nuts.

Sorry for my previous responses, I was having internet connection problems and couldn't put down too much without fear of losing the whole reply...

Call. As I said before, I'm calling here pretty much every time, unless it's vs an extremely nitty and/or passive player. A draw is very likely here. FaceMyAlterEgo says it's a call based on his likely range, but that's without adding hands like KQ/QJ/QT which people are going to turn up with in a live game.

Plus if this guy is a good player, he has seen you flat call so is likely putting UTG on some kind of weak hand - as he donked - and you on some kind of draw.

raise more pre flop...

and if he such a bad player that he will spazz, should we not also add hands played badly such as AA KK QQ or AQ?

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Thanks for all the responses. I feel better about calling now, because at the time I thought it was a big mistake given that an unknown put in so much action and I really only have 1 pair.

I also didn't think that flatting the 16 on the flop could look like a draw to a thinking player.

Which nailed it when he called a weirdly played overpair. Villain tabled KK, doubled up, and left the next hand.

Because it is live, he bought in for less than a full stack, and its 3am on a saturday morning, this is a call since it is probably a heart draw from a guy who just put on his 100 bucks and some change onto the table that he has left over from his night gambling and he is probably tired and looking to lose his money before he goes home. It is +ev under these conditions to assume the guy is just a donk shoving what ever. I mean he could show up with 9T here... definitely a call.

How did he push? Was it insta-push? Did he think about it? Did he announce it or just pushed his chips?

Silent insta-shove, Mr. Bundy.

This might be indicative of him wanting a call from UTG or/and Hero. IMO, it is still a Call because of all the draws. Unfortunately, we have no info if the villain knows which draws are ahead/behind a TPTK here.

Call. I agree with Jimbo's range in a live game. We have no reason to believe he's any tighter than that. Because of the amount of draws, he is a lot more likely to fast play other top pairs since he hates being sucked out on!

Just the same way he hates AA, AK, JJ, TT. HE ALWAYS LOSES WHEN HE WAITS

Additionally, a majority of live players seem to view anything less than 75% of a stack as like 'nobody would ever give a damn, might as well' stuff.

AAAAAND some people at 3am in a casino are past the rambunctious drunk stage are trying to keep it really cool and silent sober.

Lot of reasons to call IMO. We're going to have to try things against opponents, and calling could be a small mistake, where as folding could be a big mistake.

Since we've all established that a call was the right move; what kind of hands should I add to my calling range here?

Should I call w/ KQ? combo draws like Th8h, JhTh and A and K high flush draws?

Also, any thoughts on snap folding if the flop is drier than this.

Thanks,
AP

I tend to play live tighter only because the players tend to be more passive and their aggression therefore stronger. BUT, many live players on this flop with AhXh will view their hand as the nuts.

I tend to agree with you, which is why I called, but thought I should find a fold.