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Played this hand last night and wanted some imput.
Live $1/$3 NL, 9 handed, $100-$300 Buy-in
Hero has $450 stack, Villian on the BTN has about $220

Folded to hero in MP with T8
Hero opens to $10
MP+1 call, CO call, BTN call, Blinds fold
Pot is $44-rake

Flop K82
Hero bets $25
Folds around to BTN who shoves
Hero?

The BTN was about 25 years old and wearing huge aviator sunglasses along w/ his ipod. My read on him was that he's the type that thinks he's incredibly good and loves Phil Hellmuth. He had basically been playing pretty ABC except for an earlier hand w/ similar action to this one. In that hand, his overbet shove was called and he had a Q high FD that missed. I think he almost always has a FD here when he 3x overshoves the flop.

I think you're probably right. Not a lot else makes much sense... He should be raising but not shoving if he has a set, etc... How long does he think about it before he shoves?

I hope his A 4 misses and he berates you for making a silly call?

I think you're probably right. Not a lot else makes much sense... He should be raising but not shoving if he has a set, etc... How long does he think about it before he shoves?

I hope his A 4 misses and he berates you for making a silly call?

He didn't think too long at all. Pretty much an instant shove when it got folded over to him.
I did call, the board ran out 3,7 and he proudly flipped over his A6 like he was a genius. I didn't show.
He immediately racked up his chips and left the table.....oh well.

Well the pot is 44 + 25 so like almost 70 so if he wanted to raise his flush draw but only had 220 behind a shove probably makes sense if he thinks he has any fold equity because once he raises he is putting a little under half his stack in anyway if he raises the pot so he might as well stick it all in if he is never going to fold any turn card. His read on you might be that he does have a tonne of fold equity in this spot because you're going to have a marginal hand here a lot of the time, like exactly what you have. However, if this player isn't shoving a K here he probably shouldn't be doing this. If this is a balance between made hands and flush draws, considering that he is short, this isn't a bad play. If it is only ever a flush draw then he is going to be exploited. That being said, he still has a 45% chance to win against a K or 8.

There are 25 year old poker players who love Phil Hellmuth?

Well the pot is 44 + 25 so like almost 70 so if he wanted to raise his flush draw but only had 220 behind a shove probably makes sense if he thinks he has any fold equity because once he raises he is putting a little under half his stack in anyway if he raises the pot so he might as well stick it all in if he is never going to fold any turn card. His read on you might be that he does have a tonne of fold equity in this spot because you're going to have a marginal hand here a lot of the time, like exactly what you have. However, if this player isn't shoving a K here he probably shouldn't be doing this. If this is a balance between made hands and flush draws, considering that he is short, this isn't a bad play. If it is only ever a flush draw then he is going to be exploited. That being said, he still has a 45% chance to win against a K or 8.

You're right, he's not that deep and if he's doing this w/ big hands also, I would like the play a lot more. The thing w/ this guy is I don't think he's ever doing this w/ a K, set, 2 pair, ect. He always has a FD. If he had raised smaller, I would have insta-mucked.

There are 25 year old poker players who love Phil Hellmuth?

There's this guy and one other one in South Carolina.

There is $95 or so in the pot after his call and he is raising $185 on top, right? Bad players simply don't do this with AK, a set, etc - they make it $50 more and look to get paid. Vs most live players, I think you're looking at only a couple of hands here - a scared bottom two pair, which doesn't want to see a King come on the turn, or a flush draw that's hoping you'll fold. As players get better, you'll start seeing them turn over hands like A-8 here as a semi-bluff. But generally most players with a King or a set will flat or put in a small raise. With a flush draw and in position, getting nearly 3 to 1 on the call, this guy should be flatting as far as I'm concerned. Just as he would be doing if he was floating with air, had 2nd pair, JJ, a set etc. I think shoving is very bad and really takes away the advantages he has with being on the button.

There is $95 or so in the pot after his call and he is raising $185 on top, right? Bad players simply don't do this with AK, a set, etc - they make it $50 more and look to get paid. Vs most live players, I think you're looking at only a couple of hands here - a scared bottom two pair, which doesn't want to see a King come on the turn, or a flush draw that's hoping you'll fold. As players get better, you'll start seeing them turn over hands like A-8 here as a semi-bluff. But generally most players with a King or a set will flat or put in a small raise. With a flush draw and in position, getting nearly 3 to 1 on the call, this guy should be flatting as far as I'm concerned. Just as he would be doing if he was floating with air, had 2nd pair, JJ, a set etc. I think shoving is very bad and really takes away the advantages he has with being on the button.

+1
Given the board in this hand (K82), he maybe has K2s a tiny % of the time, but I don't see him playing 82 to a raise. I've got one of the 8, so K8 is less likely as well.
That being the case, the only hand he really has is a FD and especially since I'd seen him do this in a previous hand, I made the call. When I was thinking of whether to call or not, I was trying to figure out how often he's got a FD w/ two overcards to my middle pair. He's actally a slight favorite w/ a hand like A9

Nice hand sir.

^^Thanks^^