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Playing in a decent £1-£2. Have been card dead for hours, lost most of the big pots in which I've been involved. Then with only half hour of the session left I win a few, and my stack is up to £350.

There's a straddle and a super-straddle (live), so blinds are £1-£2-£5-£10.

One caller in MP, a decent LAG who runs pretty good vs me and has me covered.

I have A T on the Button.

Raising here is standard, I assume we all agree on that?

I make it £31.

Straddler, tight player who is fairly new to the table and has lost a few pots, calls, leaving £150 behind.

Super-straddler, bad passive player, also calls, approx £200 behind.

Decent LAG calls, has me covered.

Pot approx £120

Flop is Q 2 T

And all check to me.

How hard do we think this hand will have hit their respective ranges? Do we bet as standard, or rather check, make someone think we have AK, and let them bet or shove the turn?

Obviously I'm not getting too involved if decent LAG wants to play this pot - but what about the other two? And how much are we C-betting if we decide to do so?

Preflop I'd raise a little more. You can clearly make a bet for value. I'd say 1/2 pot or so

I agree with pre, you should bet enough to ISO the guy or just flat. You hit that awkward size where now it's hard to get folds without committing yourself. And truly, you should be thinking this with a 35x of limper left behind.

I would just check back this flop. It would seem to have hit everyone,s range a little, and some ranges pretty hard.

If you were thinking of betting please think of hands that call pre flop raise that would fold on this flop.

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I'm not sure that we are betting for "value". If we want to use the word value then I'd imagine it means we have >50% equity vs a continuing range. It will be hard to give an opponent a range that weak that continues.

I do think it's a bet here because I think given the SPR we need to be pretty considered about protecting our hand. Also, given the SPR you don't have to bet super big to achieve your goal of making it incorrect for 2nd pair to call and to pick up the pot. I think your EV of binking and getting paid plus your EV of getting called and checking down + your EV from picking the pot makes a bet +EV. I don't see a reason to think checking is higher EV than betting. I think not protecting loses us more than we gain from making our opponents honest on the turn and thus saving some money when they have us crushed. You can bet like $40-$50 here.

EDIT: small PPs fold, GSs fold.... this is a good result when 3 opponents can collectively have ~2 outs a piece on average... and that means 6 outs all together. We don't mind folding out 25% equity.

Would you change your mind and check here if we had AJ instead? With or without s?

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Would you change your mind and check here if we had AJ instead? With or without s?

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Probably still a bet. Similar equity but more implied odds so I'd rather have the gutshot.

Was watching apex predator the other night the instructor said (Q)xx hit a lot of calling ranges, but based on this action and you are otb I assume a bet here would be +EV?.

Was watching apex predator the other night the instructor said (Q)xx hit a lot of calling ranges, but based on this action and you are otb I assume a bet here would be +EV?.

I think so... but I wouldn't be betting air here, sure.

And I agree this isn't a great board texture to cbet vs a couple loose player with our entire range.

I agree with pre, you should bet enough to ISO the guy or just flat. You hit that awkward size where now it's hard to get folds without committing yourself. And truly, you should be thinking this with a 35x of limper left behind.

I would just check back this flop. It would seem to have hit everyone,s range a little, and some ranges pretty hard.

If you were thinking of betting please think of hands that call pre flop raise that would fold on this flop.

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I thought £31 would be enough to ISO. None of the other players should ever be calling here as far as I'm concerned, they're absolutely spewing money. But this is what live players refer to as "value" right?

I agree that it has hit certain ranges pretty hard, but by checking I'm giving some players - esp the decent lag - a chance to put me under a lot of pressure. And I don't think this hand, on this board, can take that much pressure at all.

Medium/small pocket pairs are surely folding on this board. Even made hands like JT/T9 (yes, which I'm beating) are likely to fold. Suited connectors like 7-6 (not hearts) are going to lay down.

Would you change your mind and check here if we had AJ instead? With or without s?

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I probably check AJ here... With AT, I have better equity vs a hand like QJ, and I have a "blocker" to a very small part of the players' ranges (slightly less chance of them having a set of Tens).

If both hearts, I bet and snap-shove if raised obviously. If I have A I'm definitely checking and looking for a backdoor....

What happened was, I bet £75.
Tight player who straddled dwelt for a long time and then folded. I was putting him on a Queen as he thought for so long. If he shoves for £75 more, I'm calling and hoping to bink.

Bad/passive super straddler insta-mucks. If he ships I probably call, unless I get a read that he has something massive like a set.

Decent LAG mucks as well, telling me I made a nice bet. If he calls I shut down. If he raises, I fold...

Tight player bangs the table and says he shouldn't have folded his Queen... I wanted to respond, No, you shouldn't have called pre flop you eejit... but obviously I didn't.

Although this was a seemingly dull and relatively pointless hand (and no bad beat in sight!) I thought it was a good spot to look at the C-bet... Also, at the time I had started winning and had a strong table image. If I'm losing/getting no respect, I think I would probably fold this pre. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

I probably check AJ here... With AT, I have better equity vs a hand like QJ, and I have a "blocker" to a very small part of the players' ranges (slightly less chance of them having a set of Tens).

If both hearts, I bet and snap-shove if raised obviously. If I have A I'm definitely checking and looking for a backdoor....

Stove your equity vs his range.

If I have both hearts you mean?

It would really depend on the player.... Vs a very tight player I'm giving AQ+ here, so I would be a slight dog vs his range. Vs a LAGgy player I'm factoring in all sorts of draws and worse pairs too...

Ok, yes I see what you mean, AJ does ok in both scenarios; ATo does very bad in both scenarios. However, I said I would not bet a bare AJ... Let's see how that compares...

...Interesting, AJ has 18% equity vs AT's 10% or so (vs tight range)...

... But what about the fact that you can almost never call a bet here with AJ? Let's say you check the flop back, 3 on the turn, and suddenly it's very very difficult to play bluff catch? Whereas with AT you'll feel as though you're winning a lot more often and don't want to be so weak as to be folding all the time here?

...However, if I add in hands that someone might shove on me with, like worse Tens, A-2o, etc, suddenly AT becomes 62% vs AJ's 42% equity... (still not all that bad though). So vs tight player I'd rather have AJ here? Vs LAG player I'd rather have AT? Is that the conclusion I can draw here? (Besides the fact that maybe I'd much rather have AJ overall?)

i dont think this is a std raise pre spot with this hand more like a call