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Find a new table pre. This one sucks.

lol its zoom

Let me ask you the question first, you open under the gun and 12/10 guy with a 4% 3bet from MP, 3 bets you. Your at your tightest, he should not be fucking with you. Whats your calling range?

He shouldn't be, but he might not be thinking about that. FWIW I don't have an oop calling range really. I'm either 4-betting or folding.

You can argue that you lose value when sometimes people are willing to get QQ/AK in pre. but these people are overplaying there hand pre and are just as likely to do the same postflop.

You're 100% wrong about this. There are plenty of people who will happily get in hands preflop that they will fold postflop. It is demonstrably mathematically correct to do this.

Don't slow play at the micros.

FWIW I don't have an oop calling range really. I'm either 4-betting or folding.

exactly.

You're 100% wrong about this. There are plenty of people who will happily get in hands preflop that they will fold postflop. It is demonstrably mathematically correct to do this.

I'm not looking to get stacks in postflop. I just think there is more value on average.

Anyway the OP wasnt to do with this and I can see why people have their opinons. After a bigger sample in my DB maybe ill change my mind.

Thanks for everyones input.

exactly.



I'm not looking to get stacks in postflop. I just think there is more value on average.

Anyway the OP wasnt to do with this and I can see why people have their opinons. After a bigger sample in my DB maybe ill change my mind.

Thanks for everyones input.

There is definately more value in 3 betting pre flop. In fact i would go as far as saying that a lot of people will turn AA -EV because of there poor postflop skills in high spr pots and overplaying overpairs.

Your 3bet % is also very low imo. It will be very hard for you to get value when you 3b in general. I would fold very strong hands vs your 3bets. By 3betting AA in spots like this your 3b % will go up and people using HM will give you less credit for your 3bets and you will get more action overall. And like I said before I think you should 3bet this always vs an UTG open because villains range is strong. If you want to flat it (which I don't suggest to do at micro's) you can do it vs later position opens imo.

And in addition to your example with the 4% 3bets from villain. This guy is 3betting so rarely that you are folding hands like QQ/AK vs his 3bet. You don't want people to fold hands like that vs the top of your range when you are waiting 2 hours to get them. I would really advice to work on your 3betting, increase it, and get action with your premium hands.

The sample from my stats is misleading. when i first started playing zoom for the first 20k hands or so i was playing like 10/8 with a 3bet of 2%. My game now is around 13/10 with a 3 bet of around 4%.

I think when you go over the 5% 3bet mark people are going to start changing their folding frequnices and I don't want that when im playing 4 tables of zoom. Another added benefit of flatting in this spot is I can open up more on the btn/co and still get a ton of respect.

Anyway each to their own. While i'm getting results im going to stay with it for the time being.

The sample from my stats is misleading. when i first started playing zoom for the first 20k hands or so i was playing like 10/8 with a 3bet of 2%. My game now is around 13/10 with a 3 bet of around 4%.

I think when you go over the 5% 3bet mark people are going to start changing their folding frequnices and I don't want that when im playing 4 tables of zoom. Another added benefit of flatting in this spot is I can open up more on the btn/co and still get a ton of respect.

Anyway each to their own. While i'm getting results im going to stay with it for the time being.

Ok so lets 3 bet hands like A7s to balance the times we 3 bet with the nuts...oh wait we arent going to 3 bet the nuts. This is the first time i have heard of somebody not 3 betting AA as a standard line. Especially in zoom.

Ok so lets 3 bet hands like A7s to balance the times we 3 bet with the nuts...oh wait we arent going to 3 bet the nuts.

Did you read the thread? im talking about one situation when early positions opens and is a tight player. Can't remember ever saying i will never 3 bet AA.

Did you read the thread? im talking about one situation when early positions opens and is a tight player. Can't remember ever saying i will never 3 bet AA.

If he is tight then that is all the more reason to 3 bet him as his range will be stronger than a looser opener. I will only flat call AA he if i am confident there is a good chance someone behind me will squeeze or i am absolutely certain if i 3 bet villian will only continue with AA/KK. Readless my standard is to 3 bet for value. Its much easier to get stacks in in a 3 bet pot. So do you never 3 bet from the BTN vs a tight UTG player with your value hands? This is certainly a leak.

If he is tight then that is all the more reason to 3 bet him as his range will be stronger than a looser opener.

It's not that simple. A typical nit villain's utg range will be very tight. However, that villain will still fold a huge proportion of that tight opening range when he gets 3bet.

I'm not saying it's wrong to 3bet here ofc...

We all agree that our 3b here looks so strong that villain will fold too much of his range. But starting to flat AA is not the best solution. 3b light until they adjust is much better! Once they start seeing you as a 3b monkey your AA will suddenly get all kinds of action. So the problem in this hand did not start preflop. It started much earlier...

We all agree that our 3b here looks so strong that villain will fold too much of his range. But starting to flat AA is not the best solution. 3b light until they adjust is much better! Once they start seeing you as a 3b monkey your AA will suddenly get all kinds of action. So the problem in this hand did not start preflop. It started much earlier...

Not really. You could pretty much 3bet KK+ in this spot and villain would not know that after 73 hands. Hero has 73 hands on villain so villain has 73 hands on Hero too, so he can not make accurate assumption about Hero`s 3bet range yet. And on the same note Hero should not think villain would somehow "soul read" for only KK+ and start folding everything except KK+ (even KK maybe? as it has only 22% equity against KK+ range) after just 73 hands. It`s not wise to draw such bold conclusions after this hand sample size IMO.

People draw a lot of conclusions after 73 hands because that's usually all they can relay on. So if villain sees that hero did not 3b once in 73 hands he will probably play very tight UTG in FR vs a 3b. But what if hero did in fact 3b a few times so that villain would see a stat: 3b: 15? There would be quick conclusion: I can't fold my AK/QQ/JJ vs. THIS guy...