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omnimirage

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Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em $0.02 Ante - 8 players - View hand 1740065
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SB: $20.20
Hero (BB): $25.23
UTG: $24.08
UTG+1: $11.04
MP1: $25.85
MP2: $35.25
CO: $46.82
BTN: $28.92

Pre Flop: ($0.31) Hero is BB with Q Club Q Diamond
UTG raises to $0.40, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.40, MP2 calls $0.40, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2, UTG calls $1.60, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1.60

Flop: ($6.61) 4 Club 5 Club 6 Heart (3 players)
Hero bets $3.80, UTG calls $3.80, MP2 raises to $23.28, Hero??

UTG was a 17/11, and the person being squeezed a bronze star 35/19. Regs tend to flat 3bets incredibly wide in these games for some reason, ~40% fold to 3bet is standard.

Really not sure, not even sure if betting is ideal, perhaps c/f flop.



Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em $0.02 Ante - 9 players - View hand 1740068
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UTG+1: $9.88
UTG+2: $20.36
Hero (MP1): $73.48
MP2: $20.00
CO: $10.81
BTN: $25.70
SB: $10.15
BB: $46.64
UTG: $28.84

MP2 posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.43) Hero is MP1 with A Heart A Spade
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, 3 folds, SB calls $0.45, BB calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.78) 5 Spade 6 Club 9 Spade (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.35, SB folds, BB raises to $4.65, Hero raises to $12.50, BB raises to $46.12 all in, Hero???

Villain was a 45/5. Unsure here as well.

Posted about 1 year ago

prestonp

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I think you can safely fold both times.

Posted about 1 year ago

omnimirage

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It seems like with the first hand if I'm gonna b/f it might be better not to bet at all, since I'm probably gonna be raised a decent amount.

With the second hand, should have I flatted his x/r? If I 3bet I suppose I need to go with it. It does help tremendously that I have the As.



I'm having great difficultly with finding a happy medium between folding/calling. I oscillate between folding everything to calling everything, depending on my perception of other's aggressiveness/spazz. Ultimately, I've failed to notice much of a pattern that can somewhat reliably tell me when they're just going aggro with a draw or when they have it, I suppose because the frequencies are intertwined. Now I think about it, I stack off light when faced with a random play by a fish, or when on a board with a draw. I suppose with the fish I need to look for indications of ABCness and react accordingly, probably assume they're ABC/passive without further information, and with draws perhaps I need to study up on combos to be able to quickly calculate this sort of stuff @ the tables, probably need to lean towards folding as a general rule but due to draws having a good chuck of equity as it is.

Posted about 1 year ago

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If I 3bet I suppose I need to go with it. It does help tremendously that I have the As.



a different way of looking at the ASpade is that it hurts you.... a LOT.

It eliminates some of their NFD from their raises, and leaves them with fewer draws, and more sets, straights and 2 pair hands that are willing to shove.

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Posted about 1 year ago

omnimirage

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Right, quite counter intuitive how having the runner runner nut flush draw actually hurts my equity here

Posted about 1 year ago

Adriano85

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Since we are IP with the AA I prefer to flat his c/r and evaluate the turn.
B/F with QQ seems fine too.

Posted about 1 year ago

omnimirage

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So flat his x/r, on turn fold to any half pot bet+ on scare card(spade/7/8) and call any non-scare card for bets less than 3/4 pot, and raise 1/2 pot bets and less on turn when no scare card hits?

Posted about 1 year ago

prestonp

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So flat his x/r, on turn fold to any half pot bet+ on scare card(spade/7/8) and call any non-scare card for bets less than 3/4 pot, and raise 1/2 pot bets and less on turn when no scare card hits?



Well if a spade hits the turn, I think you're committed to putting your stack in. And cards that pair the board help your hand versus two pair. So I'd say a scare card is a 7 or an 8. But I'm not sure that that changes the situation all that much. He could be x/r the flop with a monster (most likely), a draw (possibly) or complete air (rarely). You're left to your knowledge of the villain to try to fill in the blanks about his frequency of each.

If he has a monster, you're beat. If he has a draw, you'd like to get the money in. A call seems a compromise between these two possibilities. Still, I tend to believe that most people are rather passive and are only making this move with strong hands. That's why I favor folding.

In terms of calling and seeing, the only card that really changes things on the turn would be a spade because it gives you a nut flush draw. Other than that, if he's still betting, you're probably beat.

Posted about 1 year ago

Tackleberry

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In hand #1 you should squeeze bigger, esp. with antes in play. You´re just inviting Villains to see a flop with wide ranges - and once you get one caller you initiate a chain of callers, against which QQ is not the best hand. Given the drawy nature of the board I´d stack off with QQ. The only hands you´re really afraid of 44, 55, 66 which are nine combos. Not sure if sb. shows up with 65s - but even against that you´re in decent shape with higher 2pair - and bd-flush outs. Obviously we have to add 87s as well if we add 65s, so let´s stove:

Board: 4c 5c 6h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.921% 51.53% 01.39% 136215 3670.50 { 99-44, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcQc, 87s, 76s, 65s }
Hand 1: 47.079% 45.69% 01.39% 120774 3670.50 { QQ }

As assumed, looks like we got a stack-off.

In hand #2, I think folding against the raise is the best play. You blocking the A Spade is within the worst things that can happen, reducing Villain´s range to mostly value-combos, against which you´re just drawing dead. The few remaining bluff-combos (like suited connectors with spades) still have decent equity vs. you. The 3bet is especially bad, if at all you should call and evaluate, but the "correct" play in my book is to just fold.

Posted about 1 year ago

omnimirage

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aah forgot that I had the As

Yeah, basically what I thought, I don't really see much benefit to calling.

I would like to act whilst people are generally passive, people are much more aggressive online, and it's a mistake to assume they are approximately the same for the two formats, in case you didn't know.

Posted about 1 year ago

Tackleberry

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[...]and it's a mistake to assume they are approximately the same for the two formats, in case you didn't know.


Thanks. Wink

Posted about 1 year ago

omnimirage

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Thanks. Wink



heh, that post wasn't @ you, didn't see you post until now.

Very good post btw, cheers; how much would you advocate for me to 3bet to in the QQ hand?

Posted about 1 year ago




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