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Did you really join a premium site to not take advice and not learn?

I don't know what's real in this thread anymore...

Did you really join a premium site to not take advice and not learn?

I did indeed join a premium site to learn. But I cannot and will not agree that it is ok to stack off everytime I hit a set. That is 100% wrong and I see that advice in the 2+2 forums all day long from extremely bad players. It's wrong. You stack off with a set on the right types of flop textures. Never wet ones.

I did indeed join a premium site to learn. But I cannot and will not agree that it is ok to stack off everytime I hit a set.

You don't have the skill to know when you should not stack off with a set on the flop. The likelihood of you even ending up in a situation where not stacking off with a flopped set is pretty slim in the first place.

That is 100% wrong and I see that advice in the 2+2 forums all day long from extremely bad players. It's wrong. You stack off with a set on the right types of flop textures. Never wet ones.

It's as close to 100% right as pretty much any advice you'll get. Your last statement is clearly wrong. You should be more willing to stack off on wet boards, since villain will have a much wider range of hands he'll stack off with worse than yours.

I did indeed join a premium site to learn. But I cannot and will not agree that it is ok to stack off everytime I hit a set. That is 100% wrong and I see that advice in the 2+2 forums all day long from extremely bad players. It's wrong. You stack off with a set on the right types of flop textures. Never wet ones.

Played this hand today against a guy playing 41/2. The board is wet. Is this a fold, why or why not?

Merge Network $1.00/$2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1651848
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $116.70
Hero (BTN): $409.60
SB: $91.52
BB: $270.15
UTG: $230.26
MP: $191.13

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with 8 8
2 folds, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $9.00, SB calls $8, 1 fold, CO calls $7

Flop: ($29.00) J T 8 (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $29.00, [color=red]Hero?

Played this hand today against a guy playing 41/2. The board is wet. Is this a fold, why or why not?

Here I don't think you can fold because of stack depth, even if he has the straight, because you have your boat redraw. Pot odds are good enough. W/ a full stack maybe fold here since if you continue after he pots flop, you are close to comitted, and you have RIO of being over setted already. This loose of a player probably has a lot of 2 prs, and pair w/ a draw etc.

Here I don't think you can fold because of stack depth, even if he has the straight, because you have your boat redraw. Pot odds are good enough. W/ a full stack maybe fold here since if you continue after he pots flop, you are close to comitted, and you have RIO of being over setted already. This loose of a player probably has a lot of 2 prs, and pair w/ a draw etc.

Damn it UU, I know the answer lol. Question was for OP.

This is fascinating- but this thread should be renamed- "Inside the mind of a nit". Could use the other thread and have a series even- kind of like the Lockdown prison series. We get to see up close what these guys are actually thinking.

LOL not sure if this thread is serious or not after seing your latest. I have never heard of people playing QQ just to set mine. The only other different way you could have played is by folding? Not going to happen.
This is a pointless thread.
Edit: Just saw your post about getting your stack in on the flop being a bad situation lmao. You are mental, if you dont want to get stacks in when your hit your set then dont set mine. Fish.

Played this hand today against a guy playing 41/2. The board is wet. Is this a fold, why or why not?

Merge Network $1.00/$2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1651848
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $116.70
Hero (BTN): $409.60
SB: $91.52
BB: $270.15
UTG: $230.26
MP: $191.13

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with 8 8
2 folds, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $9.00, SB calls $8, 1 fold, CO calls $7

Flop: ($29.00) J T 8 (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $29.00, [color=red]Hero?

Of course I am calling this pot sized bet all day everyday with my set.

A pot sized bet is not the same as having to call off your whole stack.

Let's all do some growing up and put down the weed for a bit and get our minds right.

The point of my post is directly related to facing a big all in decision after 2 others have already went all in on an extremely wet flop. There is a big difference between the two situations.

Of course I am calling this pot sized bet all day everyday with my set.

A pot sized bet is not the same as having to call off your whole stack.

Let's all do some growing up and put down the weed for a bit and get our minds right.

The point of my post is directly related to facing a big all in decision after 2 others have already went all in on an extremely wet flop. There is a big difference between the two situations.

I think calling in this situation would be a mistake. Getting the money in on the flop is a lot better imo.

And the situation in the hand you posted isn't even a decision, it's just a no brainer get the money in. So it's not even worth discussing anymore. If you don't understand that, you aren't ever going to be any good at poker.

Hands like this I find very interesting when they do somehow pop up on the forums for discussion with someone actually advocating not stacking off. There's just simply not that many spots that are really easily provable to be the correct play but this is definitely one of them. In these cases where the correct play is completely clear I find that it can be a good opportunity to step back and try to understand how our opponents are thinking about the game. I think this is especially important for live poker as many people are playing very technically suboptimal strategies.

One thing that might be helpful maybe is to think about why someone makes or calls a bet in the first place.

For your opponent to make a rational bet they have to 1)think they have the best hand or 2)think they have a reasonable chance to either get you to fold at some point or to improve to have the best hand by the end.[1] On a wet flop, lots of people have equity ie grounds for thinking they will improve. Therefore they should (and will) be willing to put money in with a hand that's worse now (for example, a person who would normally play for stacks only with a really big hand might felt a pair in your example if they had a flush draw to go with it). On a dry flop almost no-one has any grounds for thinking that they will improve, so if the money goes in they either think they have the best hand now, or think you will fold. On that basis you should be more willing to put the money in with your strong made hand on a wet flop than a dry flop.

That also means they will get there more often on a wet flop than a dry flop (that's actually pretty much what a "wet flop" means). That doesn't make stacking off the wrong thing to do. After all, they're much less likely to shove their missed draw on the river than they are to shove their live draw on the flop.

[1]Obviously these are all terms in the ev equation, so the probabilities are what matter relative to the bet size and the pot size.

I guess that I am playing wrong but I prefer stacking someone on a 2 7 K rainbow flop when they have AK and I have 777....

It might just be me tho....