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table 1 isnt callin quite good in this spot when u have the active aggro players behind u, u can call when they squeeze and play a pot IP with decent hand vs their junk
Yeah, that's certainly something we can do some some hands. AJo feels right on the edge of "good enough" because it will struggle to play OOP when it doesn't flop hands it can do much with. If I had AQo, and definitely AQx, I might either call and flat or call and jam. AQ starts to get better and better preflop to where you start to have good advantages to make money in 3b pots so you might just want to 3-bet it anyways.
AJo might even be a reasonable call and jam, but not call and flat hand. We really need to be suited to call and play OOP because we have to be able to take some pots away. Our suitedness will gives us opportunities to flop some things to bluff with. AJo just flops an A or a J and...... not much else. So, our EV for calling isn't going to be as high simply because we don't have as many post-flop profit sources. I'd probably rather go call-call with QJs than AJo.
And what you do if "J" dont come? Is it still a bet vs his missed turn cb? Or we check to: induce some kind of a bluff or get called with weaker Ax?
Well, when I play it's always the J on the turn so I must admit I don't have much experience with that happening.
I'd bet the turn still. When he checks I think we can take a lot of the AQ/AK out of his range. He can have a lot of Ax that's c/c'ing the turn we we should have a ton of equity vs his callign range. Probably in the 70s.
I don't think he checks a lot of FDs so betting to protect vs them isn't much of a reason to bet. I'd probably also bet my 8x here because I think he'll be folding the turn a lot and it's fine to not give his overcard range some free looks at the river. So, I think betting is +EV and I dont' really see a reason to think that checking is better.
Betting the turn also helps me get an idea about whether or not floating him will be a good idea.
KJs on #3: Are you betting any turns if he calls the raise and if yes will you ~always bet the river as well?
I don't recall whether he's the type of guy that's betting TT there. If he is, he may also call with TT and in which case I'd be more happy to 2-barrel UI. If he isn't, then I only barrel if I improve.
I probably would 3barrel when I happen to pick up my draw. From a game theory standpoint, I'm pretty balanced and I don't mind showing up a crazy bluff and the bulff may or may not be +EV, but as long as I'm balanced I think it only does good things for me. I either find out that I can move him off a pair of A's, or I create a crazy image which I can then use to adjust and exploit.
Filter for hands you just limped along in BB and compare them to raising when the SB limps , i think you might find its a leak not to raise ATC here , thats what i have found from my sample.
Oh, I don't think it's a "leak". I just wonder if its higher +EV to check and then auto bet with the really trashy stuff.
I'll have to do that though. I'd be interested to hear what your win-rate is for raising and for limping. It's not fair though... we have AA when we raise, and we never, ever check it.
Ya it doesnt tell the whole story because we will be just checking back with worst hands but also could it make more sense to raise the weaker hands and limp back with some of the better hands.
Over 100k sample I limped along 320 time and im losing at -15bb/h or down half a buy in
I raised 238 times and im winning +190bb/h or up over 5 buy ins
Strange how i limped along more times then raising , clearly i should be raising more hands.
113 out of the 238 times i raised villain just folded preflop , nearly half the time.
Is that enough to say we should raise ATC ?