goldganesh
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Hi bart, the hand where you river a set of JJ, can we really put KT and T8 in his cold calling range vs a pfr after you tag him to be a solid kid??? Even KTs and T8s is pretty questionable vs your utg opening range and nobody left to act. Like you said on turn, if he had a hand like Qx hand or even 78 or some value hand, he would be betting vs the really bad player on the turn. I would def like bet/folding but given his cold call range doesn't make sense.
Your thoughts would be great...thanks bart
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livebikebart
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Wouldn't KJ and AQ still be too small of a portion of his range to make betting here good though? It seems close, but if he's playing all KQ and only KJ suited it would be a c/f. I'm not sure if this is the case, and you would obviously know better than me.
I think that you are right--combos wise this very well might be a check fold. Obviously if he is playing all KQos there are more combos of that hand than KJs and AQhh. I could also optimistically add QJs and some QJos but those hands probably don't pay off the river.
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livebikebart
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Obviously a replayer error, Kh is in your hand and on the board but you make the comment that two hears on board, top pair and "I have the K of hearts."
Do you remember what K you had? and do any of your comments/ analysis change?
I definitely didn't have the Kh. This was just an error by me imputing the hand into the replayer.
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livebikebart
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These HH reviews are good, there are tons of HH reviews everywhere. I haven't seen the vid yet, but hopefully there will be some live action too.
Also can you spend you a few moments talking about live tells. Both low confidence and high confidence. (Read the Navarro book couple years ago, pretty sure you have more to add as well)
Do you think that live turn cbets gets way more folds compared to online turn cbets. I play live too, and notice that many will peel flop and constantly eat the second barrel. Right now, I am experimenting on sizing my cbets smaller and looking to bomb more turns with hands that have no SD value.
Next episode should be live action from LATB.
I think that you are right on--turn cbetting adds more fold equity live. I go over a hand in the next episode on an AA39 board that covers this theory.
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livebikebart
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Hi bart, the hand where you river a set of JJ, can we really put KT and T8 in his cold calling range vs a pfr after you tag him to be a solid kid??? Even KTs and T8s is pretty questionable vs your utg opening range and nobody left to act. Like you said on turn, if he had a hand like Qx hand or even 78 or some value hand, he would be betting vs the really bad player on the turn. I would def like bet/folding but given his cold call range doesn't make sense.
Your thoughts would be great...thanks bart
I don't find it strange to call a UTG raiser with KTs or T8s with these stacks. I don't think that the solid kid had any idea who I was. I do pass, however, on these field cold calls if I know that the UTG raiser is a very solid player. Do you think that he is raising all in on the river over the horrible chick's lead and my raise with a bluff? My experience tells me that this is highly unlikely.
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CajunDragon
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WTF! is this common?? This exact scenario happened to me in the Rio poker room last year at WSOP!!! I showed the AA and she showed me the KK and called. It was a large black lady. (1-3 or 2-5, dont recall). Of course she hit a K. The dealer must of been in on it! I don't remember why I showed her she was beat. It was a friendly night, neither of us was drinking.
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jjfootball2009
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Bart, I agree with the bet fold, but if a Queen comes on that river, and he's nitty, I don't know what you're beating except KJ which is less likely to be in his range. Do you make a smaller river bet on something like the Queen? I would be tempted to check it all together, unless I had a read I could make a blocking bet.
Edit: Made this comment before I saw the Queen come out lol. Perfect river card for my question. Also, since he showed up with Aces on a two tone flop, and never raised, do you think we can lean toward him slow playing his flopped sets and possibly even 2 pair as well?
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livebikebart
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Bart, I agree with the bet fold, but if a Queen comes on that river, and he's nitty, I don't know what you're beating except KJ which is less likely to be in his range. Do you make a smaller river bet on something like the Queen? I would be tempted to check it all together, unless I had a read I could make a blocking bet.
Edit: Made this comment before I saw the Queen come out lol. Perfect river card for my question. Also, since he showed up with Aces on a two tone flop, and never raised, do you think we can lean toward him slow playing his flopped sets and possibly even 2 pair as well?
Although i am a bit surprised that he didn't raise the flop he is definitely not slowplaying. He's just scared that I may have a set or two pair. If he flopped a set on such a wet board he definitely at least reaise the turn. i do like a smaller bet on the river.
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surfdoc
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I like the way you manipulate the stacks here. I think you can save yourself a little money though in that you don't have to make it 700. The same thing gets accomplished with a minraise really and maybe even better since it will look so strong that you can still feel comfortable if you get backraised AI by one of the nits. NH though and I accept that I may be nitpicking a bit.
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I3betyoutillyoudie
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This AK hand are you even sure that this nity guy calls down 3 streets with a hand like KJ KQ obviously saying that the river was a blank. I just don't think nits call down 3 streets with those kinda hands. That being said i play 200nl online and have like never played live so i may be totally ignorant
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Luceboy
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Even as a 6-max SNG player i found this particularly interesting. I dont happen to be deepstacked very often but am in total agreement with the "get max value with the nuts" philosophy. In addition i particularly liked youre assessment of JQ as a barrelling hand as it makes perfect sense... i cant believe that I hadnt thought of it like that before. Keep up the good work!
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