livebikebart
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I like your analysis for the AK hand but I think you should consider turning your bluffcatcher into a bluff.
If we assume that all that you say is true - and that neither opponent has Jx of D or very rarely.
And you believe from previous showdowns that he is not betting many low diamonds.
And you dont have strongish reads on how stationary the Asian recreational player is...
I kinda like the idea of check/raising maybe check shipping the river rather than just calling.
Reasoning being - given its rare that either player has nut 2nd holding.
then russians range is one pairs turning into a bluff/ thin value bets
Asian recreational bluff-catchers/give up hands/ very rare superslowplay
then the only difference between c/c and c/r is that sometimes we are being thin value bet when we thought it unlikely and overcalled by asian bluffcatcher diamonds - and we likely can get those to fold also by c/r.
I guess I just thought because he bet the river with little to no thought that he almost never had a value hand. My call looks super strong and I just don't see that guy in the middle over calling with less than the Td. I think that your idea has merit though. It may be the most optimal way to play the river.
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TheLooool
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DiggerTheDog
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bart - re AK bluff catch.
It really is an interesting hand.
umm leave aside what you should have done.
If Asian recreational player had like 8d
I am undecided whether I think his fold is worse than russians bluff...I think it prolly is.
I think when you just call the river - you rarely have a diamond better than 8d.
He has to put you squarely on 99 with a diamond.
Obviously if you got to the river with Jd say KJ with d - you might check raise but you never just call the river.
It is highly likely if you had the T of diamond that you would either lead turn or river but if somehow you did check - surely he would think that it would be to check raise.
So when you just call - your range has to be bluffcatchers.
Then if he was to consider relative hand strength - he might be able to surmise that you might view top two or a turn or rivered set as a bluff catcher given russians line makes no sense for value.
So I think with something like 6x or better of diamonds it must be an overcall.
particularly if he credits you with being a good handreader/player or better.
This is particularly true when its $500 to win what $1800+ by that stage.
Which makes me think that a river check raise with the bottom end of your bluffcatchers is clearly better.
fwiw I dont think I would have seen it myself in game but with time I think it makes sense
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marcel23
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Also, for those who play live poker more and appreciate a non online poker coaching approach, can you make a video for us to watch everyday ;-)
We definitely need more live poker material. I believe thats whats lacking from deuces cracked.
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livebikebart
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In the last hand where you both chop the pot with 8 10 and 9 10
If you were in his position ie utg, and he was last to act and he bet 400 on the river, would you call it to chop?
I would never have called the turn.
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CajunDragon
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I was fricking appalled in LA when the I chopped and the dealer kept my $2. You just get your money back in Vegas. What about the decision to not ever chop... Most books (Carro, Doyle etc) say you should maintain a happy, personable image at the table. Is it better to not chop/piss someone off and have them go after you, or have them want to be your friend and enjoy your presence?
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mkalish1
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Love the video, I was confused on the logic for the last hand though.
I agree with you that he spazzed out. But I was confused why we are trying to get the spazzer to fold with the over-pot sized barrels. Were you saying you think you're good more than 50% of the time when called? For a bit there I thought it sounded like you were arguing that you were repping a 7 and he could fold his 10 sometimes.
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fifilein
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i love this series, i just recently started playing live (some local 1.5/3 and 3/6) and it can be pretty fun, especially when there are like 10k usd on the table for the 3/6 game with some nice wealthy whales.
i really would like to see at least one (maybe even two) episodes on how to "tag" players. for some reason i find it pretty easy with online poker, but super hard for live.
u mentioned something like "missing value bets" shows how good players are. what do u pay attention to when u come up with your TAG, Meth Dealer, .... and what player types do u use live?
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marcel23
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In live, when blinds are 1/2$ and people are sitting with 200-500$ behind them. Would you suggest limping every pot (when you have something like 56 or k2s etc), in a game when a lot of preflop action goes unraised just to see a cheap flop? (something that never happens online)
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livebikebart
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Love the video, I was confused on the logic for the last hand though.
I agree with you that he spazzed out. But I was confused why we are trying to get the spazzer to fold with the over-pot sized barrels. Were you saying you think you're good more than 50% of the time when called? For a bit there I thought it sounded like you were arguing that you were repping a 7 and he could fold his 10 sometimes.
That's exactly what I was arguing--My hand should be a 7 a lot of the time here, I knew he had a T and I was trying to get him to fold out a chop.
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livebikebart
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i love this series, i just recently started playing live (some local 1.5/3 and 3/6) and it can be pretty fun, especially when there are like 10k usd on the table for the 3/6 game with some nice wealthy whales.
i really would like to see at least one (maybe even two) episodes on how to "tag" players. for some reason i find it pretty easy with online poker, but super hard for live.
u mentioned something like "missing value bets" shows how good players are. what do u pay attention to when u come up with your TAG, Meth Dealer, .... and what player types do u use live?
Well the Meth Dealer was a huge tweeker--shaking and mumbling under his breath constantly. TAG guys will play tight preflop but will recognize certain types of texture to correctly Cbet. They also will raise and check raise with draws. Most players fall into the loose passive category which are the easiest to play against.
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livebikebart
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In live, when blinds are 1/2$ and people are sitting with 200-500$ behind them. Would you suggest limping every pot (when you have something like 56 or k2s etc), in a game when a lot of preflop action goes unraised just to see a cheap flop? (something that never happens online)
I definitely wouldn't limp every pot but you should open up your overlimping range with position. You have to take into account the rake structure in these small games because entering small pots will eat up your winrate.
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