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QQ river vbet on #3. He's probably playing AA/KK with this line on this river way more often than betting it so you need 99-JJ to c/c river assuming they bet the turn which is possible with that sizing I guess. Then he has some flushes and boats/quads. Betting is pretty thin but it feels so dirty to check it behind and also sample size is still tiny. Would you bet JJ?
Whats your HUD layout?
QQ river vbet on #3. He's probably playing AA/KK with this line on this river way more often than betting it so you need 99-JJ to c/c river assuming they bet the turn which is possible with that sizing I guess. Then he has some flushes and boats/quads. Betting is pretty thin but it feels so dirty to check it behind and also sample size is still tiny. Would you bet JJ?
Hi Finnisher, I would either check back JJ or bet it very small because my value would be even thinner. I think it is standard for a solid player to bet/fold that river as it's far superior to check-calling a bet. However, many bad passive players including passive nits will play this way. Their goal is just to showdown their big pair so they are afraid of betting and being raised for some reason. I guess they feel check-calling makes it cheaper to showdown if they're beat, but that's pretty absurd when there's almost no bluffs to catch and few worse hands value betting.
BTW I also would expect this sort of player to certainly bet again on the river with a boat or flush, I put his range mostly on missed AK AQ or one pair hands.
Whats your HUD layout?
I recorded this video months ago though and I changed my hud since then so this might not be 100% accurate. I think the hud is the following -
top line is vpip/pfr/hands
2nd line is 3bet/fold to 3bet/4bet/fold to 4bet
3rd line is steal/fold to steal
4th line is cbet/fold to cbet/raise cbet
@Time 23:06 (I can't get the vid to buffer load right now to place a timelink sorry)
QQ on KK5 FD,9o
Comments on Turn bet-sizing $12 into $15.70 (75%) seems a bit big here. WDYT? What worse hands call that bet-size? (You CBet 63% Flop sizing BTW).
Hey Gold. I liked this video and also liked your previous Rush videos. I have some questions about a couple of hands.
@15.00. You had QQ on 825hh in a HU pot vs a nitty guy. Villain bets 4 into 7 and you call. The turn is a 5d which pairs the board. Villain bets 8 into 14.75. The sizing, coupled with the player being a nit, suggests to me that he or she probably isn't bluffing. You said that you thought you were ahead of a tight players range on the turn, and you mentioned that you thought the player would fire again with AK or AQ. I am not sure if the player would even bet the turn again with those hands. I think you still have to call the turn because of the possibility that the player could be value betting 99-JJ. River is the 4h and the villain checks. I personally think that vbetting here is extremely thin. If he has TT or JJ, he has to be scared of the flush getting there and the board being paired. If he has those hands, he's basically bluffcatching on the river because you are never vbetting worse. What are your thoughts on this?
@21.00 You have A7o in the CO and a multi-tabling TAG 3-bets you on the BTN. You decided to fold because you had no history with the guy. I could go either way here. I actually don't mind 4-betting just to establish an image against the guy. When you have no history with someone, their default assumption is that you are unlikely to be bluffing them. Some players use that to their advantage. For example if you have 2 guys without history - let's call them player A and player B - and Player A 3-bets Player B because he knows that Player B knows that player A is unlikely to be bluffing due to the lack of history between the two players. I just think that even without history, the guy is very likely to have a wide 3-betting range on the BTN vs a CO open. What do you think?
@Time 23:06 (I can't get the vid to buffer load right now to place a timelink sorry)
QQ on KK5 FD,9o
Comments on Turn bet-sizing $12 into $15.70 (75%) seems a bit big here. WDYT? What worse hands call that bet-size? (You CBet 63% Flop sizing BTW).
Yeah it might have been slightly on the large size, however the opponent was a random that I didn't have color-tagged, so probably a weak player. Weak players don't care that much about bet sizing unless its unusually small or more than the size of the pot. If he's just clicking call with his flush draws (that may have just picked up a pair of 9s or a combo like JTs QTs QJs etc), I think my sizing is great. Against a tight multitabler I would probably bet a little smaller.
Hey Gold. I liked this video and also liked your previous Rush videos. I have some questions about a couple of hands.
@15.00. You had QQ on 825hh in a HU pot vs a nitty guy. Villain bets 4 into 7 and you call. The turn is a 5d which pairs the board. Villain bets 8 into 14.75. The sizing, coupled with the player being a nit, suggests to me that he or she probably isn't bluffing. You said that you thought you were ahead of a tight players range on the turn, and you mentioned that you thought the player would fire again with AK or AQ. I am not sure if the player would even bet the turn again with those hands. I think you still have to call the turn because of the possibility that the player could be value betting 99-JJ. River is the 4h and the villain checks. I personally think that vbetting here is extremely thin. If he has TT or JJ, he has to be scared of the flush getting there and the board being paired. If he has those hands, he's basically bluffcatching on the river because you are never vbetting worse. What are your thoughts on this?
Hi, I think the turn call is standard - he can be firing with worse for value, also my hand looks even weaker when the board pairs on the turn - I will very often have draws and weak one-pairs. This could encourage a double barrel. Yes the opponent is nitty so far, but it's only 50 hands so I certainly can't rationalize folding the turn.
As far as value betting the river - I think my sizing was a bit large. I should have made it $9 or $11 to get a crying call out of overpairs I'm beating. I expected him to bet/fold the river with AA/KK. Most players don't like c/cing the river with AA/KK on a paired board where the flush draw came in on the river, but some guys play this way obviously.
@21.00 You have A7o in the CO and a multi-tabling TAG 3-bets you on the BTN. You decided to fold because you had no history with the guy. I could go either way here. I actually don't mind 4-betting just to establish an image against the guy. When you have no history with someone, their default assumption is that you are unlikely to be bluffing them. Some players use that to their advantage. For example if you have 2 guys without history - let's call them player A and player B - and Player A 3-bets Player B because he knows that Player B knows that player A is unlikely to be bluffing due to the lack of history between the two players. I just think that even without history, the guy is very likely to have a wide 3-betting range on the BTN vs a CO open. What do you think?
I think it's probably -ev to 4bet there at this point. So far, the opponent was playing 14/9 0% 3bet over 50 hands. It is very difficult to guess about his 3betting range there, but I would be more apt to assume that he is autopiloting and not 3betting light that often. He may also opt to call my 4bet in position (happens rarely but happens) and A7o plays absolutely awful in that spot. I would rather 4bet here against someone I have a solid read against, who I know 3bets alot from the button, and folds to 4bets a reasonable amount.
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