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Ringside: Bottomset (#2) - $200NL by bottomset

Bottomset is back at it with four tables of $200NL full ring action, with special focus on playing raised pots vs. PFRs in various positions.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 64 minutes long
  • Posted about 5 years ago

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bottomset

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looking forward to feedback from this video, any requests for future videos are also welcome

Posted about 5 years ago

pvwinkel

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I could feel the pressure when you called that guys insta-overshove preflop with 10 10 lol. Why do you think that instashove was most likely AK and not JJ-AA? Do you think JJ+ would just call and see a flop first, or maybe reraise you again (not all in?) Cool video.

Posted about 5 years ago

bottomset

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I could feel the pressure when you called that guys insta-overshove preflop with 10 10 lol. Why do you think that instashove was most likely AK and not JJ-AA? Do you think JJ+ would just call and see a flop first, or maybe reraise you again (not all in?) Cool video.



well most people don't instajam AA/KK type hands, typically 4bet smaller or think for a couple seconds before pushing, instashove tends to be a weaker hand trying to look stronger than it is

Posted about 5 years ago

hen

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well most people don't instajam AA/KK type hands, typically 4bet smaller or think for a couple seconds before pushing, instashove tends to be a weaker hand trying to look stronger than it is



fwiw people at NL100 and below seem to instashove AA,KK and QQ too from my experience.

Posted about 5 years ago

bottomset

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fwiw people at NL100 and below seem to instashove AA,KK and QQ too from my experience.



I have seen it with QQ+ but it tends to be weighted towards AQ, AK type hands more often in my experience, also this oppoent was pretty active, vs someone tighter its more likely to be AA

Posted about 5 years ago

Sounded Simple

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Enjoyed the video, boomswitch ftw!

I have a general question that you touched on in this vid:
Middle pairs 99/TT/JJ and even QQ against certain opponents. I understand 100% when you say that a 3-bet or a 4-bet against a tigher player puts you in a position where you go from seeing a flop ahead of their range to seeing a flop behind their range or getting shoved on/4-bet when we are behind.
3-betting tight players "light" (especially those who have a wide steal range as many FR players do) is quite profitable since they tend to either fold or setmine (which is -EV for them), they also usually let you know when you are toast preflop.

For example take a Hijack or CO raise from a 14/8 or whatever, we have JJ and call on the button instead of 3-betting and get HU (100bb stacks). Most of these players c-bet pretty relentlessly, which is fine since on most flops our equity is good and we have position.
By the time the turn comes we are probably facing an overcard in something like a 25bb pot, now if the turn comes a K or Q and the villan bets out 1/2 pot now we are making decisions with second pair with the pot getting big.

Does this all come down to the read on the villan? For example if you know he c-bets waaaay to much you can raise a lot of flops - but doesnt this turn your hand into the a bluff in the same way as 3-betting would have been. Perhaps this is a more profitable move but you could still have used 89s for that purpose.

Ignoring the set value Im wondering how to maximise the value of these hands in these spots - without making hero calls with 2nd pair as I seem to do a little to often.

Posted about 5 years ago

tapped_out

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I have seen it with QQ+ but it tends to be weighted towards AQ, AK type hands more often in my experience, also this oppoent was pretty active, vs someone tighter its more likely to be AA



Right on. I am half way through the video, just watched that hand and I was seriously going to turn it off it you folded. A few weak plays IMO so far, JJ is plenty good to 3 bet vs a CO open. Very glad to see you look him up with the 10's though Smile the speed of his jam screamed AK. Anyone with half a brain is going to think for a couple seconds with AA, KK and likely QQ. Weak idiots might insta jam JJ but that shove is heavily weighted toward weaker hands.

Posted about 5 years ago

bottomset

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Right on. I am half way through the video, just watched that hand and I was seriously going to turn it off it you folded. A few weak plays IMO so far, JJ is plenty good to 3 bet vs a CO open. Very glad to see you look him up with the 10's though Smile the speed of his jam screamed AK. Anyone with half a brain is going to think for a couple seconds with AA, KK and likely QQ. Weak idiots might insta jam JJ but that shove is heavily weighted toward weaker hands.



yeah JJ is "plenty good" to 3bet vs a CO open, but its not like you have to do it, especially when you don't have much of a read on the player, plus I hate to 3bet/fold it, and I wasn't sure if I wanted to felt it

once I called the TT hand, I got a decent read on him, and given that info I would likely rr JJ and just get it allin, but again its not like you are forced to RR a hand simply because its good enough, also when you take a line that your opponent doesn't expect is often the best way to win a big pot

Posted about 5 years ago

tubasteve

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havent watched yet but anytime someone instashoves preflop i put them on just about anything but AA/KK

Posted about 5 years ago

ken aces

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Hi
nice vid - few ?
1) how is the min-raising on the BUT going?

2) played 2 hands today where i flat called in position w JJ. both times the PFRer made a CB and I raised ~3x his bet with JJ as an over-pair on low ragged flops - would this be your standard line as you don't to give free cards to AJ+KQ+ type hands and you find out early if you might be up against QQ+

please keep the 100 and 200 NLH FR vids coming - thanks

Posted about 5 years ago

dohdohdoh

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Two points :

- you open with A6s from early position. I used to do this, but found it to be leaky. Versus any other Aces, you're in a bad position. I note from Sensei's videos and others, that folding AJ and A10 from early position is correct. Can you comment?

- a fairly loose vp 28 player opens UTG. You just flat on the button with QQ. I tend to always 3-bet QQ. Are you just calling for set value?

Posted about 5 years ago

consuellas_revenge

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- a fairly loose vp 28 player opens UTG. You just flat on the button with QQ. I tend to always 3-bet QQ. Are you just calling for set value?


See ~43:00-45:00 for comments on flatting with QQ.

I had a question about the 44 hand in which you flopped quads vs the guy who seemed likely to be tilting vs you. You said you thought your hand looked drawy. Also, though his hand turned out to be the draw, his reraise of your c/r seemed to SCREAM he was wanting you to shove so he could snapcall. I'm curious why you didn't just shove the flop since it seemed so likely he was going to put you on a draw and call.

Slightly less important. I suppose you didn't shove b/c you were planning on c/r'ing basically all turns. However, when the third spade hit, weren't you a little worried he would be checking behind? This is especially true b/c it was a K, so even though it might not make much sense for you to have AK or something I think that the K is going to slow down a lot of smaller overpairs, but in any case the spade definitely will imo.

nice work bottomset, keep 'em coming

Posted about 5 years ago

POTENTIAL_24

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I really enjoyed this video, 'bottomset' very informative.
You make all your preflop raises 3.5 x which seems to be just about right to price out rag hands.
Thank you for the info.

I also noticed in an earlier video of 100 NL you chose to fold AQ to a 3 bet preflop which I think was correct as well....I have lost a few stacks calling AQ to a 3 bet preflop and running into KK or AA.

I don't agree when you said @emadilloedz should of 5 bet all in with AK suited in clubs after you 4 bet to $59 with ak as well....so many times there if he shoves his range would be polarised, KK, AA mostly, and occasionally QQ, 2 out of 3 AK is in deep trouble against.

I just dont like playing AK all in preflop it seems to cost online players a lot of money.

Your allin call with 10's was marginal in my opinion but I cant see someone insta shoving aces or kings there...8 times of of 10 its AQ/AK possibly 9's.

Posted about 2 years ago




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