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Another nice vid, looking forward to the next.
Sick read in your KK utg vs. btn 3bet. I'm still feeling my way around the difference in 3betting ranges against positional ranges in FR vs. 6max, what kind of range (in a vacuum) am I expecting a 16/14 to 3bet on the btn vs. an utg open? KK+/AKs?
Yeah, probably QQ as well. Maybe JJ. He might also throw in a bluff now and then.
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Hi, nice series.
Why the 2º Barrel against the loose player? It isn't a bit spew? ty
I think it's ok. Loose players make it to the turn with all sorts of garbage so when we fire a second barrel that doesn't mean he has to fold something good for the barrel to be +EV. We get him to fold a lot of gut-shots, A-high, maybe some BPs, and he also will call with a lot of OESD's and FDs that we get value against. So, our equity isn't terrible here when we get called.
We also have to compare to EV of betting to the EV of checking. It's true that a lot of the stuff we get to fold by betting the turn is playing correctly as we are ahead of it. However, if we check a lot of that stuff that we "beat" will bet into us on the river and we can end up having a tough time calling. If we had a read that he's particularly bluff happy we could check back to induce, or that he doesn't value bet a lot of hands, but without that I think we make our opponent accidentally be bluffing at such a frequency such that he's playing pretty unexploitably. If that's the case, we can't choose the highest +EV play. If we can't do that, we can't beat our opponent in that spot. So, part of the turn bet is to avoid a bad river situation where we can't play well. It's to stop us from getting bluffed/stops opponent from playing his range on well on the river such that we (not villain) just make mistakes.
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Do you think that the opponent has a lot of 6x in his range for limp/calling preflop? Seems like he should expect you to have lots of big cards given your line preflop - I think betting here looks pretty bluffy and could cause him to spaz out.
In my experience a lot of players won't turn hands into bluffs even if I were to check to him so by that logic I don't expect him to bluff-raise when facing aggression either. I think a bluff would be less than 10% of his raising range.
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Do you make the call there with out 2 pair? You said you were committed do you still feel this way after the shove?
Yeah, my two-pair range is likely stuff like QQ-TT(only 7x may be stuff like A7s that I may just flat pre) and I'd be playing them the same way. I think he could just be spazzing pretty often.
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I guess if the river would have been a blank you would check again and fold if he bets, unless he bets small, right?
To sum up why you choose to x/r on river: You did x/r, the river because his betting range is most likely equal to his calling range, and if you x/r you can get more money into the pot, right? And if he checks back, he mostly lilkely would have folded anyway to a bet...
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Isn't that call with ATs a little bit loose? Since villain has just 40bb, which gives us less maneuverability postflop + we don't know anything about him...
I think it's fine. I just think it's a good enough hand for the situation. He's opening from the HJ. ATs is a pretty good hand. I'd only not call vs a really tight range or if I had a position issue. We're in the CO, though.
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I guess if the river would have been a blank you would check again and fold if he bets, unless he bets small, right?
To sum up why you choose to x/r on river: You did x/r, the river because his betting range is most likely equal to his calling range, and if you x/r you can get more money into the pot, right? And if he checks back, he mostly lilkely would have folded anyway to a bet...
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, that's pretty much it, and I may induce a bluff. If I donk and he has a straight he may just flat, but he'll call a c/r.
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Do you think that we can fold on turn if he would have bet bigger?
Also, how would you have played the hand if it was a Jxxxx board with the same action?
At around : 0:39:30:
You say if he bets again on river, he most likely just has a value range, because players at these limits are not aggressive enough to 3-barrel as a bluff and espcially not in 3-bet pots, and his value range has us beaten. Do you see any merit in donking the river, because we can get called by AQ, which he would check back most likely after betting two streets? Or do you think this is too thin, because AQ would be the only worse hand that potentially bets two streets and might call a bet on river, and we can't even say that AQ is in his 3-betting range after we opponent from UTG.
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Do you think that we can fold on turn if he would have bet bigger?
Also, how would you have played the hand if it was a Jxxxx board with the same action?
At around : 0:39:30:
You say if he bets again on river, he most likely just has a value range, because players at these limits are not aggressive enough to 3-barrel as a bluff and espcially not in 3-bet pots, and his value range has us beaten. Do you see any merit in donking the river, because we can get called by AQ, which he would check back most likely after betting two streets? Or do you think this is too thin, because AQ would be the only worse hand that potentially bets two streets and might call a bet on river, and we can't even say that AQ is in his 3-betting range after we opponent from UTG.
Probably just fold if he bets something greater than 2/3's. I just don't think we have enough equity to continue, and we need a decent amount once he starts betting that big given the reverse implied odds and we aren't auto-getting to showdown.
I think the hand is very similar on a J high flop.
I don't think he has AQ often enough to make donking the river a good plan. I think we're value-towning ourselves too much.
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Probably just fold if he bets something greater than 2/3's. I just don't think we have enough equity to continue, and we need a decent amount once he starts betting that big given the reverse implied odds and we aren't auto-getting to showdown.
I think the hand is very similar on a J high flop.
I don't think he has AQ often enough to make donking the river a good plan. I think we're value-towning ourselves too much.
Thanks again for your reply!
Why is it very similar on a J-high board? We would be ahead of QQ now...
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