Cartero89
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Villain is unknown, something like 19/14 in 30 hands...Not a BIG FISH, but still unknown..
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1105429
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UTG: $107.00
UTG+1: $67.40
Hero (MP1): $50.00
MP2: $18.50
CO: $46.70
BTN: $52.20
SB: $20.50
BB: $52.45
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP1 with T
T
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($3.75) 3
9
7
(2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BTN raises to $6, Hero calls $3.50
Turn: ($15.75) 2
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10.50, Hero??
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tHeBoYmUsTdIe
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Villain is unknown, something like 19/14 in 30 hands...Not a BIG FISH, but still unknown..
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1105429
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG: $107.00
UTG+1: $67.40
Hero (MP1): $50.00
MP2: $18.50
CO: $46.70
BTN: $52.20
SB: $20.50
BB: $52.45
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP1 with T
T 
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($3.75) 3
9
7
(2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BTN raises to $6, Hero calls $3.50
Turn: ($15.75) 2
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10.50, Hero??
Doesnt look like a fish at all, he's nitty/taggy if anything. He could have JJ/QQ here, conceivably would check behind with draws and stuff you beat so I think fold. If you check call here, you probably have to check call the river if its a blank, so take that into consideration.
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Ass Get to Jigglin
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given that hes unknown i'd prob just fold the flop. . if he has a set or a higher over pair you are crushed and if he has a good draw you are flipping, so your equity isnt very good. .if he had been bluff raising a lot of flops its a different story, but when you open from one of the first 3 positions most ppl are calling to try and crack overpairs, not fold them out by bluff raising the flop. .
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Cartero89
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given that hes unknown i'd prob just fold the flop. . if he has a set or a higher over pair you are crushed and if he has a good draw you are flipping, so your equity isnt very good. .if he had been bluff raising a lot of flops its a different story, but when you open from one of the first 3 positions most ppl are calling to try and crack overpairs, not fold them out by bluff raising the flop. .
With QQ/AA you fold flop also? ty.
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thelynchmob1
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villain's range here is unknown
our equity is mixed, either way ahead, way behind, slightly ahead, the same, or slightly behind, I think it's a fold until we get a better read,
What hands does he play like this that we are way ahead of? This is a slightly ahead, way behind spot. Sigh and fold the flop IMO.
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thelynchmob1
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Unknown villain's range: J3/55/AKo/KJs/Q3
against an uknown he could be bet/bet/bet w/ 3x type hands, we have no idea how villain plays
We know that he's a 19/14, which suggests he's a reasonable intelligent reg. No, we don't know that for sure, but we have to make our best estimate based on the info we have. which means there are basically no 3x hands in his flat-calling range here apart from 33 or MAYBE 34s.
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Ass Get to Jigglin
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Unknown villain's range: J3/55/AKo/KJs/Q3
against an uknown he could bet/bet/bet w/ 3x type hands, we have no idea how villain plays
Sigh
cmon. .i wouldnt assume anyone is that much of a moron until i have some more evidence.
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DegenGuy
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I deleted my posts, sorry guys lol, my whole line of thinking is off today, i haven't been getting enough sleep plus i have been playing tons of live poker this week which has dumbed down my reasoning skills
sorry for OT: but playing live really makes u stupider for some reason
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Ass Get to Jigglin
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I deleted my posts, sorry guys lol, my whole line of thinking is off today, i haven't been getting enough sleep plus i have been playing tons of live poker this week which has dumbed down my reasoning skills
sorry for OT: but playing live really makes u stupider for some reason
haha its cool man. .i think we were just a little thrown off by that
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thelynchmob1
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countchocula
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Am I the only one thinking that its not a given Hero is behind here?
The hand sample is too small to get any real read. Villian could be a rec player or a top player, 30 hands doesnt tell much other than the villian isnt a typical limping donk.
What reg min-raises that flop?
Would a reg really do that after flatting prelop with qq or jj?
AhQh or AhKh seem to be more likely given the way this hand played out.
IMO its more likley that someone who min reraises that flop (as opposed to a more standard 3-4x bet line) is the type of player to call with a AQs and try to buy a free turn card via a minraise.
Assuming that is the case, what would you expect villian to do on the brick turn? Hmmmm.... bet 2/3rds pot with a decent draw and overs, hoping to take it down or at worst see the river.
Disclaimer: I play 50NL but am barely break even. I expect everyone who has commented before me is a better player than I am. I am submitting this post because I am obviously not thinking about this correctly and would appreciate someone showing me the errors in my logic.
There are alot of rec players at 50NL that can make these moves with any number of hands. Folding TT (and someone suggested they might fold QQ there) seems pretty weak. If you play TT that way on those flops, what is your plan when you open in MP with TT? Call/fold if you get minraised unless you hit top set?
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Yassi80
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With QQ/AA you fold flop also? ty.
AA I would 3b small flop (to inuce a shove from a draw) and call it off. The reason is that we are well ahead of most of his draws (w TT-QQ we would be flipping against hist A and K high flush draws)
TT-KK I would just fold the flop until I have more info how he plays.
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Ass Get to Jigglin
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IMO its more likley that someone who min reraises that flop (as opposed to a more standard 3-4x bet line) is the type of player to call with a AQs and try to buy a free turn card via a minraise.
minraising AQs isnt buying a free turn card, its actually charging itself more for a turn card then just calling would.
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tHeBoYmUsTdIe
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AA I would 3b small flop (to inuce a shove from a draw) and call it off. The reason is that we are well ahead of most of his draws (w TT-QQ we would be flipping against hist A and K high flush draws)
TT-KK I would just fold the flop until I have more info how he plays.
KK is really close to AA here, except if he has A hi flush draws in his range that gives him 3 more outs. The decision between AA or KK is thin, I think it changes our equity vs.a reasonable range by less than 10%.
With QQ I am definitely check calling the turn and probably check calling a safe river too since that's 12 more combos of overpairs that we beat. The reason TT is so thin is for this reason.
JJ is more of a decision, KK seems like an easy call and easy call river. AA I don't mind a small 3bet to induce from an aggro player but because we're read-less and history-less in this spot I think check/calling both turn and river are fine. I'd rather bet/3bet or CRAI a safe turn than get it in on the flop when at best we're a flip vs. most flop raising ranges.
The fact is we have a medium strength hand with TT here and it's important to fold our medium strength hands when we get a lot of pressure since raising ranges are usually very narrow at micros. QQ,KK, and AA are borderline strong hands so we can act accordingly.
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