bottomset
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Joined 02/2007
You made a comment on how FR TAG players don't like to get stacked with overpairs. Due to this, they play them weakly and implement pot control too much. This pretty much somes me up with overpairs. I believe it comes from the early days of learning to play and trying not to pay off sets.
Assuming we have an overpair and were the preflop aggressor.
What do you look for in opponent/stack/board texture/IP or OOP/the way the hand has already played, to determine if you are folding to the raise? calling to evaluate? playing for stacks?
I might have phrased it poorly, the basic idea is you should have a good reason to want to fold an overpair, or slowdown with it, and often the tags just instashutdown anytime they get called on the flop, sometimes even vs really weak players that will call 3streets but often check behind
the biggest thing is always think about your opponents range, if the board is draw happy and the turn blanks its likely they still have a draw type hand and you probably don't want to give them a free card at it, if their calling preflop range is a lot of small pairs and the board comes 643 then you can be worried, also a lot of times they will call with worse and raise better so you can bet/fold vs someone that isn't going to bluffraise the turn, but still calls a second bet with a draw or weaker pair
Posted about 5 years ago
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ken aces
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consuellas_revenge
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Joined 06/2008
just signed up, first video I watched--halfway through and I'm really enjoying it
Don't know if anybody will respond anymore but I'll give it a shot. the ATh hand in which you got 2 cold callers after raising an open limp--you seemed very confident you were ahead. I must be missing a lot of value but it seems like AQ is a HUGE part of his range there, and AK and AJ cold call sometimes as well. I was just curious what considerations you had in determining a draw was such a big part of his range. Additionally, you accidentally checked the turn but I would pretty much always be checking there to keep it small when I'm (imo) often dominated, as well as protect from a semi-bluff raise with a draw. Were you really prepared to b/c that turn? That's pretty sick man, I feel like I run into a better hand ALL THE TIME in that spot.
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Venom
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Joined 01/2009
Great Video bottomset. I just recently moved up to NL100 from NL50 and have been getting run over by Regs. I really like your fast paced aggressive style that allows me to apply the pressure with big bet sizing and well placed aggression. I plan on applying techniques demonstrated.
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mastermind_mx
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Joined 08/2010
I don't know if anyone is still watching this thread but I was disturbed by this hand around 21 minutes in.
An early player limps and a middle player and the cutoff call. Hero checks from the big blind with T♦2♥.
The flop is T♣9♣7♦. There is $4.30 in the pot. Hero has $110 and the stacks range from $50 to $200.
Hero checks and it gets checked around.
The turn makes the board T♣9♣7♦T♥. Hero bets $3, the early player folds, the middle player calls, and the cutoff raises all in for $49. The remaining effective stacks are $95. There is $59 in the pot and it costs $46 to call (1.3-to-1 pot odds).
My question is this. What possible hand that beats you fits the villain's action, namely a check on the flop and a huge overbet on the turn.
Posted over 2 years ago
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DanhBai
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Well, he explained that he felt it was a huge overbet and had to fold. I guess he decided his trips with the worst possible kicker was no good.
I've watched all of his vids, and imo Bottomset is an excellent player and makes some impressive reads.
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mastermind_mx
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Well, he explained that he felt it was a huge overbet and had to fold. I guess he decided his trips with the worst possible kicker was no good.
I've watched all of his vids, and imo Bottomset is an excellent player and makes some impressive reads.
I heard the explanation, but I don't see what the villain could have. If he had a ten for top pair, wouldn't he have bet the draw-heavy board on the flop? If he had trips, why bet so much on the turn, insuring that you get no value?
The same reasoning applies to just about any strong hand, including a straight or full house. Why would he check the flop with hands like those?
I'm not satisfied with the logic that says, "He bet big. I must be beat." What hand fits his action?
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NLFool
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