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NL400 linecheck on 3-bet pot on turn


Millman123

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Opponent is NL400 reg with stats 14/9/2.6/ fold to 3-bet 54%. I have been playing very tight and this is my first 3-bet at the table. What is the best line on turn?


Party Poker $400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 177214
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: $471.00
BTN: $522.20
Hero (SB): $427.70
BB: $118.10
UTG: $138.00
UTG+1: $282.00
MP1: $339.60
MP2: $485.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with A Spade K Diamond
5 folds, BTN raises to $12, Hero raises to $40, 1 fold, BTN calls $28

Flop: ($84.00) 7 Club K Club 5 Club (2 players)
Hero bets $60.00, BTN calls $60

Turn: ($204.00) 5 Heart (2 players)

Posted over 2 years ago

tclark828

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Im definitely betting the turn for value here. He doesnt fold to 3bets alot, so i think his range can be wide here, especially SB vs BTN. A very crappy spot if he raises, but i think he could have a weaker K, or a hand with a big club in it, so i don't want to give him the option of taking a free card to hit a flush.

Posted over 2 years ago

Holdem_lol

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Im definitely betting the turn for value here. He doesnt fold to 3bets alot, so i think his range can be wide here, especially SB vs BTN. A very crappy spot if he raises, but i think he could have a weaker K, or a hand with a big club in it, so i don't want to give him the option of taking a free card to hit a flush.


This.

Id bet something around 150.

Posted over 2 years ago

Millman123

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Im definitely betting the turn for value here. He doesnt fold to 3bets alot, so i think his range can be wide here, especially SB vs BTN. A very crappy spot if he raises, but i think he could have a weaker K, or a hand with a big club in it, so i don't want to give him the option of taking a free card to hit a flush.



Thanks for comments Smile

If you bet for value do you call possible re-raise all-in or can we still fold? We have $300 left on turn. How much you would bet and if club hits on river is rest of the money going in anyway or can we still fold (if opponent just called turnbet)?

-Millman

Posted over 2 years ago

Holdem_lol

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Thanks for comments Smile

If you bet for value do you call possible re-raise all-in or can we still fold? We have $300 left on turn. How much you would bet and if club hits on river is rest of the money going in anyway or can we still fold (if opponent just called turnbet)?

-Millman



what do you think of betting more on the flop (something like 77) and overbet shoving the turn (1,5x the pot)?

Posted over 2 years ago

tclark828

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Its such a crappy spot honestly. Some people would raise the flop with a flush draw, others are calling down trying to spike. I usually cbet a little smaller in a 3bet pot, giving me room to work with on the turn. I think you have to decide if you're going with the hand or not before you decide your turn bet sizing. And i think the amount we bet decides if we can get away from the hand on the river. Standard play for me would be to stack off without history with how villain plays in 3bet pots.

Posted over 2 years ago

Sounded Simple

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I think just shipping the turn works best, quite possible he has a hand like Kx with a club or QQ-88 with a club.
We are probably only a flip (at best) against his composite calling range but with the dead money, some FE and the fact that the river could make us puke if we bet smaller leads me to just want to let the opponent deal with a shove and move on.

Posted over 2 years ago

dohdohdoh

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I think just shipping the turn works best, quite possible he has a hand like Kx with a club or QQ-88 with a club.
We are probably only a flip (at best) against his composite calling range but with the dead money, some FE and the fact that the river could make us puke if we bet smaller leads me to just want to let the opponent deal with a shove and move on.



+1. Bit of a sick spot right enough.

Posted over 2 years ago

threads13

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Your SPR is like 4.5. In a 3-bet pot versus a blind thief I am totally committed on this flop regardless of it being monotone. So since I'm committed and the board is monotone I'm going to try to get the money in as quickly as possible. If the SPR were like 3 I would like open-shoving the flop as a default. I still don't mind it here, but I think the best way to play the hand is to pot the flop and shove the turn.

Posted over 2 years ago

Millman123

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Thanks for your comments Smile
Betting turn would have been best line after reading your thoughts.

I decided to take check-raise all-in - line on turn. I thought he would probably bet his whole range if checked to him and that by check-raising I would get more value. He didn´t co-operate with me and checked behind Wink River was blank 4 diamonds and it went check-check. I didn´t see his hand because software was lacking at time. Probably weak K or like middlepair with club.


-Millman

Posted over 2 years ago

buddy_reno

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The c/r turn line isn't terrible but I think you should have bet the river after the turn went c/c. The most likely hand given turn action is something that you beat but is happy just getting it to showdown.

Posted over 2 years ago

Jeffery_Lebowski

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I like a shove here. He is gonna raise the flop with 2pair+, and maybe Acx. But his calling range is going to include a lot more hands with pairs that include a club. It's a 3bet pot and you only made 1 Cbet, he can call super wide. I really hate the check raise because I don't think he bets many hands as a bluff, and he is just going to check behind so often. If you do shove, you can still have a hand like AQ/AJ/AT w/ Ac, so I don't think he is only calling better hands if you shove

Posted over 2 years ago




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