RapidEvolution
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My post had a link. I also asked a few more questions about AKo preflop.
Can you also talk about the 99 hand, which I feel you may have misplayed. Or maybe I'm just FPSing.
In the 99 hand, both players check the flop and then the villain leads the paired turn. In my experience, this means one of two things.
1) Villain is bluffing. If he is bluffing, then he's probably folding to a raise.
2) Villain is value-betting. If this is the case, his range is (in my estimated order of frequency) 2x, Tx, Ax, OPs, PPs. We beat the smaller PPs and Ax. To boot, these hands are (IMO) fairly unlikely to call a raise and have very little chance to improve over our 9s.
Regardless of what type of bet this villain is making, our best line is to call unless we have a solid read that he'll call a raise with a worse hand.
On the river, he's seen two people call his bet on the turn, and the river hasn't really changed anything. I expect that a villain's range for betting the river in this scenario (ESPECIALLY after two people have shown interest) will have 99 beat way too often to justify a call, and we still have a live player behind whose shown interest.
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RapidEvolution
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In the AK hand a few things are happening.
1) A shove risks 5.85 to win 7. Let's assume that he never folds to a shove. In this case, we need to have 45% equity against his calling range, which doesn't happen until we put a hand that we dominate in his range. (like AQo). Since I have no reads on the villain, my default is going to be assuming that he has what he's repping until proven otherwise. Is it conservative? Yes. However, routinely exposing our stack (or large percentages, thereof) without reads to back up a decision of that weight will likely affect our winrate, variance, and tilt.
As for times to fold AK preflop, they definitely exist and tend to revolve around situations where peoples' range are likely to be their tightest. For example:
We open UTG and a tight player 3bets us from MP1. Unless our image is insane, I'm going to fold quite a lot...especially if I don't have a crazy image or hyper-aggro dynamic with the villain.
We 3bet MP raise from the CO (again with a tight image) and a tight player makes a cold 4bet from the SB. Here, the tight SB is putting in quite a considerable amount of money (usually at least 25bb) with only a 1/2 bb investment in the pot. In a spot like that, a tight player's range is very likely to be KK+ and we can fold.
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Tovergieter
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From which pocket pairs do you recommend calling a raise from HJ-BU when you are in the blinds?
Further is calling every pocket pair (from HJ to bb) when someone raised from MP good or does is depents on the type of player?
Also in multiway pots can you call every pocket pair profitable?
Last pocket question: when stealing with a pocketpair and you get a resteal from a person who folds ~70%+ of the blinds is it +ev to call that resteal for example: you steal for .3 and bb resteals for .9 (he's full stack).
Also I want to add I really love the series! Keep up the good work 
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RapidEvolution
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From which pocket pairs do you recommend calling a raise from HJ-BU when you are in the blinds?
Further is calling every pocket pair (from HJ to bb) when someone raised from MP good or does is depents on the type of player?
Also in multiway pots can you call every pocket pair profitable?
Last pocket question: when stealing with a pocketpair and you get a resteal from a person who folds ~70%+ of the blinds is it +ev to call that resteal for example: you steal for .3 and bb resteals for .9 (he's full stack).
Also I want to add I really love the series! Keep up the good work 
Hi Tover! I'm glad you're enjoying the series and asking questions.
If you're thinking about calling any raise with a pocket pair, here are some things to consider:
a) their range: If their range is really wide (let's say the opener is 15/13 and steals 40% and is in LP) then the chance that he has something strong enough to pay us off big if we DO hit is pretty low and I'll be less likely to cold-call with the sole intent of set-mining. 3betting or calling with the intent to play aggressively on good board textures can definitely be profitable IF we have enough reads on his postflop play/affinity for folding to a 3bet.
b) number of villains: If there are a bunch of cold-callers (especially loose-passive ones), I'm happy to call with any PP to set mine. If the people who are calling are very tight and are calling to do the same thing I am, I'll be less likely to call with the smaller pairs, simply because if the stacks go in, it's likely I'm against a better set.
c) position: out of position I'll be less inclined to call unless my opponent's range is really tight and I know he'll stack off with an OP regardless of board texture. In position, we'll have some opportunities to float and take the pot down, or get checked to and we can bet and take it down, so I may be more inclined to call.
With regards to calling 3bets with that specific price, I'll be willing to call if I know my opponent has a tight range (again, banking on implied odds) and will definitely be more willing to call in position. Calling 3bets out of position is something I'll do if the price is really good (20-1 implied) or if I think I can soul-own my opponent OOP (which is very hard to do).
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RapidEvolution
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Would you sometimes bet your OESD here? Nobody shown intrest in the pot and you prob got outs to like the 3xQ and 8xOESD.
My main concern with leading the turn was that the players behind both looked really passive and I was out of position on both of them. In spots where we're considering firing a draw, we need to weigh positional advantage, fold equity, and pot equity. In this case, we were OOP against both players, and had very little pot equity. Throw in the passive opponents and it gets a bit hairy (especially since we'll be check-folding rivers that we miss, based on the board texture). Now...if we had flopped an OESD on the flop and the villains looked more capable of folding, I'd be firing out with higher frequency.
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Table Fox
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You have to raise here, AQ, KQ obv QJ aren't min betting here, Jx, TT, 99 or 77 will take this weird min bet value line, anyway they aren't going to show up here in a limped pot, maybe QJ but he ain't min betting that, that leaves Jx or pp TT or lower, a small raise here to 80/90c here is always getting called and give you an extra 7/8 bb's.
And if he has a Q, it's nearly always worse than yours, AQ, KQ, QJ aren't taking this line.
Edit: If we have AQ lol u nit
(ofc you would never end up here with AQ, as you would always raise on the button with that hand)
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RapidEvolution
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You have to raise here, AQ, KQ obv QJ aren't min betting here, Jx, TT, 99 or 77 will take this weird min bet value line, anyway they aren't going to show up here in a limped pot, maybe QJ but he ain't min betting that, that leaves Jx or pp TT or lower, a small raise here to 80/90c here is always getting called and give you an extra 7/8 bb's.
And if he has a Q, it's nearly always worse than yours, AQ, KQ, QJ aren't taking this line.
Edit: If we have AQ lol u nit
(ofc you would never end up here with AQ, as you would always raise on the button with that hand)
The main issue in this hand is that given the board texture, and given that we lead the flop and then raised his turn bet, his range for calling a raise is pretty narrow. The Qx part of his range is doing very well against us and I think that the chance that he limps Q9 is fairly slim. I also don't expect him to call often enough with Jx to make raise profitable. We also have no fold equity vs better hands, so in my opinion, calling is going to show better profit than raising here. If we assume his range for taking this line so far is
connectors, one gappers, and 2 gappers that have an 8, Q, or J
9T
slowplayed OPs and full houses
we're actually behind. Throw in the fact that many of those worse hands will fold to a river raise (especially since we've already raised his turn bet), and we see that raising is only going to cost us money in the long run. I'm not saying that he never calls a raise with a worse hand, it's that worse hands don't even make up enough of his range for leading, let alone calling a raise. Let's say we make it $1.40 (roughly 1/2 pot) We're risking 1.40 to win 3.85 (we're getting about 2.75-1 on our raise) so when he calls, we need to be good more than 27% of the time for our raise to show a profit. I don't see that happening.
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luckygoose
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Thanks for this video loving it so much.
Where can I actually find a full list of glossary for online poker abbreviations? You guys are using so much abbreviations that I don't understand what you guys are saying
so please help me with that.
Also, what software are you using there? are there any software like that for MAC?
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RapidEvolution
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I use Holdem Manager both for the HUD (heads-up display)and the tracking. I'm not sure whether or not there's a version for the MAC, but I assume there is.
As for abbreviations, which were you specifically unsure about?
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PanicIwould
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Hey RE-
I just finished watching the FRB series last week and wow. Great series and this particular video has been very helpful. Can't thank you enough for taking the time and effort to put this series together.
Okay, enough of that. Now for the questions. I am finding myself in a lot of TPTK situations with AKo and AQo that are extremely hard to get out of. Seeing you fold AK in this vid was sort of a wake up call but I feel like i'm losing value some of the time when I fold strong hands PF. What are your suggestions for TPTK or TPGK situations against a fish (lets say an 80/20 or 50/10) who shove the turn or river? Will they always be shoving with their best hands in these spots? I'm struggling to get a grasp on the mentality of a fish. Seems like I always run into the top of their range and then TILT.
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Would it be better to check call the river to him here? That way he can bluff his missed spade draws. I feel like the only thing calling your small value bet is a bricked A high flush draw, a weaker K that chops, or some weird slow play with 3 jacks. This would also allow you to get to showdown for roughly the same price as raising, with worse hands in his range. What do you think?
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RapidEvolution
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Would it be better to check call the river to him here? That way he can bluff his missed spade draws. I feel like the only thing calling your small value bet is a bricked A high flush draw, a weaker K that chops, or some weird slow play with 3 jacks. This would also allow you to get to showdown for roughly the same price as raising, with worse hands in his range. What do you think?
The part of villain's range that we're aiming at with this small value bet consists of small-medium pocket pairs (with a spade) that may think we're making some goofy bluff on the ace. If we check this river, it should be with the intent to fold, not call. It's really tough for him to have total air here (something like T
9
, maybe) and since a lot of his non-flush hands have some SD value, I think it's unlikely he's bluffing when he bets the river. Betting for this size and checking folding are probably about the same EV-wise (I think betting small is a bit better) but as a default, in close spots (especially in the micros where people are much more prone to making bad calls than bad raises) I tend to just bet/fold for value.
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