KillBill
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Villain is 19/9 but the problem here is his 3bet is only 2.2 %. He probably sees me as laggy and running around 22/17. My only other read/note on the villain is that he had donked out huge w/ a set on a coordinated flop and then overbet open-shoved the turn(1.5X pot), which leads me to lean towards his river shove being for value. I played it passively on the flop because of how strong I perceived his range to be. On the river I lose to AA,JJ,AK,AJ and split w/ AQ, or he would have to be trying to bluff me off the best hand with worse which seems really unlikely. Thoughts?
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 616982
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $30.00
SB: $20.35
BB: $50.00
UTG: $67.85
Hero (UTG+1): $70.60
UTG+2: $60.30
MP1: $35.65
MP2: $53.60
CO: $59.40
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with A
Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.30, 6 folds, BB raises to $4.15, Hero calls $2.85
Flop: ($8.55) 5
J
3
(2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5
Turn: ($18.55) 4
(2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10
River: ($38.55) A
(2 players)
BB bets $30.85 all in, Hero ?
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MacAnthony
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Fold pre. Unless you have a good reason to be calling 3bets with AQ, it'll just end up losing you money. You get dominated a lot in the big pots and rarely get enough value to justify it when you are ahead.
If I get to that river (which is likely never as per above), I would fold if I'm playing well and call if I'm not. That is just such a disgusting bet that I don't think you are ahead often. I probably woulda got it in on the flop or turn if I saw the flop.
Still fold pre.
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KillBill
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Still fold pre.
This was the conclusion that I was coming up with as I was posting. I'm not sure what I was thinking at the time, either: People are probably getting fed up with me so AQs is probably a good hand to play in position here, or I didn't realize just how tight his 3-bet range was.
I posted to see what people thought of the post-flop play/thinking.
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newmanmi
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1BYONE
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Please raise 3x preflop. Calling pre is fine because we are IP. I wont raise the flop against a nitty Villain like this one. Villain gave us a good price on each street for calling so go for it. The river is a fold of course 
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KillBill
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Please raise 3x preflop.
Just trying something new with the open size here after watching NLFool's new video where he opens such a wide range and steals such a high % that he uses 2.5X opens everywhere except the CO and BU where he uses 2X.
2.5X at these stakes would be $1.25 so to save time I am using $1.3, so as to save a keystroke everytime. I figured it accomplished the same goal.
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Lee_Ming
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There's nothing wrong with making smaller than standard opening raises if you play the appropriate style (I always have a chuckle at min raisers playing 13/10 ATSB 25%). Although it helps to be as good as nl_fool 
I think the pre-flop aspect of this hand is quite interesting and touches on the real crux of a LAG minraising style - playing 3bet pots IP only having invested 8BBs pre; so you have plenty of room post-flop to work your stylings. You're gambling that position and skill can overcome a stronger range.
As played I'm tempted to call the river. AK is unlikely, not many people take 2 stabs with air at 50NL in my experience; well they don't at me, but I am pretty nitty. Anyways, I reckon this is either AA or JJ moving in for the kill or some kind of panic shove from QQ/KK who doesn't want to check to you, watch you shove and hate life. Probably not much in it, but calling is more fun.
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Malefiicus
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River looks like AK. That's the only shitty thing here, it's very likely he has AK. If he ever bets worse, like KK/QQ, then it's a call. If he bluffs a decent percent, it's a call. But this is FR, he's some nit, and you probably don't have some crazy image. This is probably a fold, now that I've thought about it.
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oneillsurfer03
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raise getting it in on the flop is never going to be that bad once u get here. he might fold AK or a hand like TT if he has those in his range w/ is close. The river is a clear fold but i for sure get it in on the flop.
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donkulate
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Fold pre. Unless you have a good reason to be calling 3bets with AQ, it'll just end up losing you money. You get dominated a lot in the big pots and rarely get enough value to justify it when you are ahead.
If I get to that river (which is likely never as per above), I would fold if I'm playing well and call if I'm not. That is just such a disgusting bet that I don't think you are ahead often. I probably woulda got it in on the flop or turn if I saw the flop.
Still fold pre.
I agree you are going to only get into trouble by calling. What would you expect the villian to show up with if he 3bet? From what I have seen the best you can hope for is a flip.
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mixmastered
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if he's aggressive enough for a call preflop to be profitable, then a raise on the flop is going to be very profitable.
and, given
"My only other read/note on the villain is that he had donked out huge w/ a set on a coordinated flop and then overbet open-shoved the turn(1.5X pot)",
this would make me think that his flop bet might be weaker than normal -> raise!
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