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In general, vs a co/bt 3bet 6-7% aggressive player, anything but fold?
I know he won't vbet QQ 2 street here. He can only vbet two street with KK(3),JJ(1),AK(6),AA(3)=13 combos. Knowing that I probably cannot have a strong hand can stand for 2 barrel, he might easily fire 2 streets with ATC. If we assume he 3bet 6% = 78 combos, he still full of shit.


Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 600941
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MP1: $497.35
MP2: $400.00
CO: $661.35
BTN: $474.40
SB: $438.00
BB: $487.00
UTG: $400.00
UTG+1: $921.30
Hero (UTG+2): $400.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG+2 with A J
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, CO raises to $44, 3 folds, Hero calls $30

Flop: ($94.00) K 4 J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $55, Hero calls $55

Turn: ($204.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $122, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Final Pot: $204.00
CO wins $201.00
(Rake: $3.00)

I'd just fold this preflop and not feel to bad about it.

You can't just look at his overall 3-bet% here, rememeber you are opening from EP and in the C/O he just has no real reason to mess with that. So your 78 combos are not all there (plus you need to discount them for card removal).
Calling and playing OOP is just so tricky and marginal as this hand demonstrates. You kind of have to peel the flop and the turn is sticky but his bets dont seem to want fold equity. By the river I think you have to fold even if its the best hand some small %.

But I do see people widen 3bet bluffing range at co/bt vs EP opener at NL400. Eg. if I open 11% EP, what hands can I continue if I fold AJs? If I only continue: AQs+, TT+, it's 3.8%, I fold 2 3rd of the time. It's so profitable to 3bet bluff with so many hands on co/bt. And it's so easy to play postflop.
Should I make more 4bet bluffing with hands like: AJs, AQo, KQs vs co/bt 3bettor becoz of the card cancellation reason?

I'd just fold this preflop and not feel to bad about it.

You can't just look at his overall 3-bet% here, rememeber you are opening from EP and in the C/O he just has no real reason to mess with that. So your 78 combos are not all there (plus you need to discount them for card removal).
Calling and playing OOP is just so tricky and marginal as this hand demonstrates. You kind of have to peel the flop and the turn is sticky but his bets dont seem to want fold equity. By the river I think you have to fold even if its the best hand some small %.

fold pre, I would raise call this situation if I were raising LP or SB vs. BB. Perhaps if you were 150+ bb you can call the 3bet pre here.
As played just fold the turn, I doubt after you raise EP and call a 3bet oop 100bb deep, then call on KJ4, that he is going to be barreling.

Most of the time your gonna get owned when calling OOP to a 3bet. If you call a lot of 3-bets he is probably 3betting a linear range and AJs doesn't do well against the top 6% of hands and when you throw in your position. It doesn't turn out +EV.

But I do see people widen 3bet bluffing range at co/bt vs EP opener at NL400. Eg. if I open 11% EP, what hands can I continue if I fold AJs? If I only continue: AQs+, TT+, it's 3.8%, I fold 2 3rd of the time. It's so profitable to 3bet bluff with so many hands on co/bt. And it's so easy to play postflop.
Should I make more 4bet bluffing with hands like: AJs, AQo, KQs vs co/bt 3bettor becoz of the card cancellation reason?

Good points, here is my take on all of this
- You are correct, if you fold all but JJ+ AK (or tighter) you are super exploitable raising from EP
- But people don't mess with EP raises all that often, even if they sometimes should
- If you feel you are at a table where people are exploiting eide EP ranges then you should first of all tighten up your opening range to 77+ AK (unless there is a super mark in the blinds in which case take your lumps)
- Then also widen your 4-bet value range a little but DONT flat because calling 3-bets OOP 100bb deep is just so difficult if your opponents are at all decent postflop.

In the upcoming EP8 of FR Squadron Nolan and I hit a very interesting spot facing a 3-bet as an EP raiser. We discuss many of these points so remember to tune in etc.