Folds trips on the river?

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dohdohdoh
Quad Deuces
1419 posts
Joined 12/07

opponent 27/9

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $111.50
SB: $119.85
Hero (BB): $102.80
UTG: $46.95
UTG+1: $33.10
MP1: $113.10
MP2: $129.60
CO: $92.75

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 2 2
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2, MP1 calls $2, CO calls $2

Flop: ($12.00) Q 2 5 (4 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $9, MP1 calls $9, CO calls $9, SB folds

Turn: ($40.00) T (3 players)
Hero bets $32, MP1 calls $32, CO folds

River: ($104.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $69.10 all in, Hero ?

Posted Aug 21, 2008 9:02am

EvilSky
Deuce High
51 posts
Joined 01/08

Raise bigger on the flop and pot the turn so you dont have to worry about the river, as played I jam river all day, checking without reason is horrible.

Posted Aug 21, 2008 2:13pm

dohdohdoh
Quad Deuces
1419 posts
Joined 12/07

It was an extremely fast shove, usually that to me means he's got excited he's hit. I'm fairly convinced he has the flush. He's fishy but not a maniac.

Posted Aug 21, 2008 3:29pm

jessyj
Deuce High
80 posts
Joined 06/08

call but bet the river yourself.

Posted Aug 22, 2008 9:43am

dohdohdoh
Quad Deuces
1419 posts
Joined 12/07

call but bet the river yourself.



I thought about that but figured he'd shove over any small bet and leave me no choice but to call. I was hoping he'd bet the river small enough for me to call with showdown value.

Posted Aug 22, 2008 10:04am

jessyj
Deuce High
80 posts
Joined 06/08

when I say "bet" i mean "shove". You're not looking to get away from this.

Posted Aug 22, 2008 10:19am

dohdohdoh
Quad Deuces
1419 posts
Joined 12/07

when I say "bet" i mean "shove". You're not looking to get away from this.



Seriously? Maybe I'm too conservative but these are the type of spots that lose me 100bbs. It's FR, I think at 6max I might be inclined to get it in.

Posted Aug 22, 2008 3:11pm

jessyj
Deuce High
80 posts
Joined 06/08

Seriously. You're calling $58 to win $162 the way the hand played out needing ~25% equity to call here it's pretty likely you're good that often. However, we don't want to give Q's the chance to check back so we need to shove. I don't see how you can think of pot control when you have an spr of around .5 on the river. It's not like you can b/f for $30 and c/f is just bad.

Posted Aug 22, 2008 3:41pm

dohdohdoh
Quad Deuces
1419 posts
Joined 12/07

I can see the point 'we need to be right 1 out of 3 times to make this profitable' but for me I put him on a flush and I figure I should lay it down. I guess I'm not factoring pot committment.

Recently, I've been reading players and saying 'he has the flush, I have trips/2p I should fold.', or 'he has trips, I fold my overpair' -' But I'm going to call to see anyway' and every friggin' time I pay off after guessing the guys hand correctly, he has it (the nuts). So recently I've been trusting my own reads. If I have 50bbs in the pot, I'll fold regardless if I think I'm beat. Beat is beat. Against vp40+ fish I loosen up and do get it in more often though.

Posted Aug 22, 2008 7:27pm

jessyj
Deuce High
80 posts
Joined 06/08

Nit picking: We need to be right 1/4 times not 1/3 times.

So recently I've been trusting my own reads. If I have 50bbs in the pot, I'll fold regardless if I think I'm beat. Beat is beat.

It doesn't matter at all that you have 50bbs in the pot it matters what the size of the pot is. Thinking of being beaten as an absolute is bad. You think to yourself: "I'm beaten more than x% of the time so a fold is correct.".

Posted Aug 23, 2008 1:24am

dohdohdoh
Quad Deuces
1419 posts
Joined 12/07

Yeah good point, I do think in absolutes. But sometimes it's hard to see if these calls etc. are +EV longterm...guess I need HEM.

Posted Aug 24, 2008 9:06am