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Hi I used to be a regular at pokerstars and over the course of the year i've had decent success grinding from the quarter up to 200nl. withdrawals did keep me from becoming a regular at 200nl and lately ive been on another downswing and just kept from playing poker altogether. I think I'm ready to give it another go now and I'm going to sign up here but I was wondering if there are any coaches for 24 tabling here?lol I know it sounds pretty stupid but those who do mass tabling cash nitring will understand what im talking about, e.g. solid optimal 24 tabling handcharts and standard lines against this type of hand vs this reg,random etc.
Hi PCboi, I play some hands with you on Stars.
Would be interesting to see comments re.24-tabling. I hope to be 24-tabling during 'off-peak/fish' periods by the end of the year. Do you cascade? I hear tiling just doesn't work.
yeah i cascade and just arrange/save to layout as I see fit for my liking. tiling is pretty confusing coz the popups just makes it cumbersome to identify tables that need attention compared to cascading wherein the table just pops up in your screen. I play a very odd assortment of limits and follow a very "stupid" rule to what limit I should be playing - actually whatever gives me the most profit atm, I will play, may it be 100nl 200nl 50nl or 25nl, yes 25nl lol. what's your userid at stars btw?
Not sure about 24-table-specific coaches, but there are plenty of great coaches out there, no matter then number of tables.
In terms of how best to 24-table, there's a very good, fairly recent thread in 2+2 about it. Sorry I don't have a link, but I know "24" was in the title. BTW, stacking tables, using AHK BetPot Script, Stars Assistant, and Hold Em Mananger are all very helpful imo.
Well, not a bad plan PCBoi, I've been tempted to switch to NL50 during drag periods with nits during daytime. However, when I played NL50 at FT it felt like such a drag, the tables were relatively tight daytime.
There's *no way* I'm posting my userid up here lol, but maybe if you PM me we can sweat hands and exchange comments.
haha yes i didnt think about that. recently ive noticed that 100nl and 200nl have been so tight lately that probably almost all of my aa that i 3bet didnt get action at all. that lead to my downswing really coz i just couldnt win a decent sized pot with monsters (AA KK, sets etc) and just ran bad/ got outplayed altogether. i use stars planner and betpot script and sometimes stars assistant, but never autoreloader lol, that thing tilts the shit out of me.
have you tried stacking tables? Ive been doing that, and while it took a few minutes to get used to i think it works much better
haha yes i didnt think about that. recently ive noticed that 100nl and 200nl have been so tight lately that probably almost all of my aa that i 3bet didnt get action at all.
Yeah I've been calling pf raises with KK and AA a lot because 3-betting just results in folding. And you are right, the big hands make all the money.
If you wanna sweat etc. PM your AIM.
When 24 tabling I start off with cascading them over 2 screens, then once I have joined all the tables I switch to stacking.
Yeah I've been calling pf raises with KK and AA a lot because 3-betting just results in folding.
Generally disagree with this strategy, although flatting with those hands in particular situations can be okay.
i dont mind not getting much action with aa kk. but relatively zero action pf bothers me alot since ill be 3betting aa kk like 90% of the time regardless of how tight the games are nowadays, i mean, i wont be playing poker anymore if the day comes when ppl will have to flat all the time aa kk to extract value from those hands, in certain spots it's really ok but ffs most times against randoms? lol no way
Generally disagree with this strategy, although flatting with those hands in particular situations can be okay.
Well these hands were an auto-3bet for me PF previously, what I mean is I'm now starting to limp a bit when I've got a table of rocks, or maybe a weak fish on the blinds I want to drag in. HU, I flat a lot. It's situation dependant. I'd maybe flat the btn, raise the SB always. In a live game I'd be 3-betting like a crazy man with these big hands.
No need to limp or flatcall versus rocks. They're not going to give you action unless they have a very strong hand. So you're hoping to catch them with JJ+/AK.
No need to limp or flatcall against the weak fish. They're going to call you anyhow with incorrect odds to set mine, etc., so get value while you're way ahead. Also, a fish will call with something like AQ and stack off on Qxx bd, etc.
The place I'm most likely to flat are where there are very aggro players behind me who like to squeeze.
I almost never limp AA/KK, though, b/c I almost never limp anything -- so if I start limp/rr AA/KK, I'll be playing my hand face-up.
A major reason I don't limp/flat AA/KK more is b/c since I'm playing many other hands aggro pf in order to "protect" my AA/KK (i.e., get people stacking off light against me when I have a real hand), I don't then want to defeat that purpose by not playing AA/KK fast pf.
A major reason I don't limp/flat AA/KK more is b/c since I'm playing many other hands aggro pf in order to "protect" my AA/KK (i.e., get people stacking off light against me when I have a real hand), I don't then want to defeat that purpose by not playing AA/KK fast pf.
Yeah good point. I definitely 3-bet a lot with a 100bb fish in the pot. Small shortstackers I might try to drag in.
pcboi, im playing 100NL atm at Stars. ive got the bankroll for 200NL but would like to play at least 200k hands before moving up.
i usually 20table 100FR on stars under the name evo.com . Usually have 4 stacks on 5tables which i find works best for me. Whenever I need to think abit on a table I just pull it to the middle.
i do follow quite a strict PF hand chart but I adjust my 3betting/cold calling range depending on their stats.
The thing about AA and KK not getting action is either you're not opening up ure 3betting range enough or you're sitting in the wrong table
I dont think flat calling is good unless
1) an aggressive squeezer in the blinds 2) PF raiser don't have a full stack and theres not many players behind to act
My 3bet% is around 6-7. Punish the regulars by 3betting them when they open up in late position. Unlike 6m where you'll see people adjusting by 4betting you, in FR alot of players will just call OOP if they decide to go with the hand.
I play a 15/12 style with quite good results. If you would like to work together on moving up the stakes in FR drop me a PM and maybe we can sweat each other smtime.
