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whysoez

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Villain is playing 17/14/2.1 vpip/prfr/af
3bet% = 7.2 over 2k hands
4bet% = 15 (47)
4bet Range is 2.1% (47)

Notes I have on him:
calls 2 streets with 77 on 87Qtt (twotone) Flop, K Turn, and 5 River, doesnt rr River Ai;
calls a 3bet OOP w 66, check/raises 462tt Flop;


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Hero (MP2): $101.00
CO: $100.01
BTN: $100.00
SB: $28.00
BB: $122.38
UTG: $110.34
UTG+1: $100.00
MP1: $95.59

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP2 with K Spade A Club
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, BTN calls $9, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $6

Flop: ($28.50) J Club A Diamond Q Diamond (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $14, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($56.50) 6 Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($56.50) 5 Spade (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $77 all in, Hero ?

I checked Flop because the board smacked his range I thought he had TT, JJ or QQ. When he only bet half pot I decided to call.

Give me your thoughts on his range preflop and on the hand.

Posted 10 months ago

Poemmel

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this is also a pretty clear call preflop imo.
you won't get much value 3betting him, most people will fold AQ, AJ all the time (which is the correct play given positions) and you isolate yourself against mostly QQ+ and probably another AK.
we want to keep the dominated Ax and Kx hands in his range.

again: do some work in your preflop game vs early positon!

Posted 10 months ago

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I like flop check.

I'm pretty inclined to cal the river. I'm having trouble putting him on many hands that have us beat and we rep pretty weak with this line.

I think 3b preflop is reasonable in this spot, but it's a 3b/fold. If our opponent folds to 3-bets that often (80%) thats massively +EV for us to 3b and I'm not sure how profitable calling is in this situation. It seems debatable to me.

Posted 10 months ago

Poemmel

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I think 3b preflop is reasonable in this spot, but it's a 3b/fold. If our opponent folds to 3-bets that often (80%) thats massively +EV for us to 3b and I'm not sure how profitable calling is in this situation. It seems debatable to me.



If our opponent is folding to 3bets far too often we shouldn't take AK into our bluffing range imo.
Why not just take any other Ax or Kx and call with AK which I'm pretty sure is +EV?

Posted 10 months ago

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I don't think it's as cut and dry.

We agree that AQo isn't close to a call, right? So, if that's the case, then AKo must be very marginal to call. I think it's very close and I'm not arguing and trying to say AKo is DEFINITElY -EV to call. Just saying its probably close.

BTN I absolutely 100% agree that we should flat it and 3b some other things.

OOP I'd tend to 3b it as he'll call more hands that we have equity against.

Posted 10 months ago

Poemmel

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OOP it might be better to 3bet, I agree.

But imo AK and AQ are very different.
AK is dominated by exactly 0,9% of hands whereas AQ is dominated by 2,6% of hands.
That means that it's 3 times more likely to be dominated with AQ than with AK.

So if someone opens 10% UTG, if we have AK we are dominated 1 out of 10 times.
If we have AQ we are dominated 1 out of 4 times.
Thats a huge difference.

Also we always flop TPTK which means we don't have that much reversed implied odds like AQ if it hits on an Axx board for example.

Posted 10 months ago

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OOP it might be better to 3bet, I agree.

But imo AK and AQ are very different.
AK is dominated by exactly 0,9% of hands whereas AQ is dominated by 2,6% of hands.
That means that it's 3 times more likely to be dominated with AQ than with AK.

So if someone opens 10% UTG, if we have AK we are dominated 1 out of 10 times.
If we have AQ we are dominated 1 out of 4 times.
Thats a huge difference.

Also we always flop TPTK which means we don't have that much reversed implied odds like AQ if it hits on an Axx board for example.




I agree, but if you think in EV then you can see that it's hard to imagine it's something like AQ = -5bb to call and AK = 10bb.

Posted 10 months ago




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