themightyjim2k
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I don't understand this fold at all. you have blockers to top set, he'd likely keep betting any lower sets to get value from Ax, and the stack-a-donk line is rarely taken for value these days. This looks to me often like Ax that is trying to get you to b/f your pair+gutters and is making some weird protection raise, or some pair+straight draw semi-bluff himself. Just seems like a really easy bet-call against a FR LAG on the turn when you have such a small value range in his eyes (ie he would likely expect you to 3bet AK and probably doesn't think you can call it off with AQ or AJ on the turn).
I actually said "what? NO!" out loud when I saw you fold that.
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I don't understand this fold at all. you have blockers to top set, he'd likely keep betting any lower sets to get value from Ax, and the stack-a-donk line is rarely taken for value these days. This looks to me often like Ax that is trying to get you to b/f your pair+gutters and is making some weird protection raise, or some pair+straight draw semi-bluff himself. Just seems like a really easy bet-call against a FR LAG on the turn when you have such a small value range in his eyes (ie he would likely expect you to 3bet AK and probably doesn't think you can call it off with AQ or AJ on the turn).
I actually said "what? NO!" out loud when I saw you fold that.
If I knew more about him that made me think he was doing this light I'd call, but I actually find this is two-pair a ton.
I think his perception of my range is irrelevant and I don't think this is a worse Ax without a spaz read.
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kajed911
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I don't understand the line taken with AK here, especially the fold on the turn since the line taken was so weak.
From your opponents p.o.v., you've never rep a big hand up to the turn, taken the line: C-C-B.
Why wouldn't it be feasible for him to think that your flatting w a hand range that includes;
i.e. AJ-Ax(non 2 pair), Any 6 for the picked up str.-pair draw and any floating bluffs? He then may think that his AQ is prob. good or at least ahead of a wide enough range to make a move here and try to protect or gain value from calls with a weaker Ace or draw with one to come?
There seems to be a lack of definition and poor execution from my p.o.v. - if your going to take a weak passive line, why not stick with that line and only look for the value bet on the river rather when the opponent has doubled checked or you can elicit the river bluff?
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I don't understand the line taken with AK here, especially the fold on the turn since the line taken was so weak.
From your opponents p.o.v., you've never rep a big hand up to the turn, taken the line: C-C-B.
Why wouldn't it be feasible for him to think that your flatting w a hand range that includes;
i.e. AJ-Ax(non 2 pair), Any 6 for the picked up str.-pair draw and any floating bluffs? He then may think that his AQ is prob. good or at least ahead of a wide enough range to make a move here and try to protect or gain value from calls with a weaker Ace or draw with one to come?
There seems to be a lack of definition and poor execution from my p.o.v. - if your going to take a weak passive line, why not stick with that line and only look for the value bet on the river rather when the opponent has doubled checked or you can elicit the river bluff?
Sorry for the delay. I've been a bit sick.
I have all the Aces up and sets in my range when I take this line... but this line is like never a bluff. He also is almost never doing this with AQ. Literally I expect him to do that close to 0%. In fact I expect to get XR'd on this turn less than 10% of the time anyways. It would be a pretty bad line from AQ because his equity when called is horrible cause he's pretty much up only vs two-pair+ and draws with enough equity to make a +EV call.
I don't see what's so weak and passive about my line. I think you're making wide generalizations about my line being weak (don't understand why you think that other than I didn't 3-bet pre... which I think is a totally reasonable option given those positions) and therefore people must be going for ultra-thin value and bluffing in a spot where people just plain don't do it very often. So, that assumption is way, way off, imo.
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