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fabi2266

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Poker Stars $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1805047
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MP1: $75.22 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 1.3, Hands: 133
MP2: $381.05 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 0.8, Hands: 55
CO: $206.46 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 18, AF: 0.0, Hands: 25
BTN: $167.39 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 123
SB: $238.68 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 411
Hero (BB): $200.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 2.4, Hands: 91674
UTG: $119.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 5.0, Hands: 998
UTG+1: $62.06 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 0.0, Hands: 309

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with K Heart T Heart
5 folds, BTN raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $13, BTN raises to $26, Hero calls $13

Flop: ($53.00) Q Diamond 9 Diamond 6 Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($53.00) T Spade (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($53.00) A Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $36.00, Hero raises to $142, BTN folds

Final Pot: $125.00
Hero wins $122.20
(Rake: $2.80)

I played this hand vs a pretty much unknown opponent 20/16 over 123 hands. BTW he is a stars pro and I had the feeling, that he was trying to push his opponents around so far after he played 33/30 or so the first 50 hands on this table and also 4betted after both 3bets before.

So I 3bet-called preflop, maybe I had to 5bet if I think he's bluffing but I felt confident that I might get the chance to outplay him postflop with this hand.

Then I flop pretty good with a gutshot, one overcard and a backdoor flush draw. My plan was actually to check-raise him to get him off many better hands, like AJ, AK, <88 pocket pairs - which is actually a pretty dangerous plan to have(? right?) o.O

On the turn I hit a pair and make myself ready to call it down if he goes for a delayed c-bet, which he doesnt and checked behind again.

On the river I'm pretty sure he beat me with that card, BUT after he didnt show interest so far I can easily exclude many strong hands that would call my check-raise (like AQ, AA, sets). He would still call with A9, A10 but these are hands, that arent used to 4bet very often and if, they are probably suited and there are only 3 combos left.

So as you see I put some thought process in that hand Smile Could you please rate my play here? Thanks guys!

Posted 11 months ago

UU!I.I.4AAUU35

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Strong move that luckily didn't go wrong.

Posted 11 months ago

direstraights

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The pre-flop call is FPS, but post-flop I think you played the hand the exact same way that I would've played it, where turning your hand into a bluff instead of a bluff catcher on the A is pretty crucial IMO and it's actually well balanced since it's the easiest check-raise for value in the world with something like AJs there.

I wouldn't get in the habbit of 3bet calling KTs tho' man, your 3bet range should be pretty much shoving like AQ, AJs, KQs, 88 at most. It's not easy to show a profit there even when you're given 1 to 4 to call

Posted 11 months ago

RUAOK

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if you have no idea of his tendencies or how he reacts to 3 bets, what is your reasoning for 3 betting in the 1st place? flatting here is standard, call of 4 bet is not all that close unfortunately however good ur odds may seem, is def minus EV against almost anyone, wud imagine a red star pro is compounding that error, deeper with a hand like JJ or AQ it can be argued in some situations but is not a mistake to avoid altogether, as played to turn is fine altho is jamming really necessary, wud 100 or 110 not have the same fold equity over the part of his range ur targeting, it cud even look somewhat stronger?

Posted 11 months ago

fabi2266

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Thx guys so far. Dont't worry, I usually dont call 4bets with K10s OOP. I 3bet this hand to see if he will really 4bet this again. RUAOK would you really raise with A10/ AQ or this stuff to just 100? I dont think so, thats why I raised him all in

Posted 11 months ago

RUAOK

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Thx guys so far. Dont't worry, I usually dont call 4bets with K10s OOP. I 3bet this hand to see if he will really 4bet this again. RUAOK would you really raise with A10/ AQ or this stuff to just 100? I dont think so, thats why I raised him all in



you say u 3 bet to see if he would 4 bet again, not really following this, if ur plan was to 3 bet 5 bet all in would make more sense but not sure u no enough of his tendencies if any, for example stats which would be useful would be a 4 bet range from the btn of around 3 or higher and a fold to 5 bet of over 50%, another reason to 3 bet this hand would be if he has a low fold to 3 bet maybe less than 50%, 3 bet folding here is also fine if he has a low fold to 3 bet and 4 bets rarely,

the second question, id never have AT in this spot but if i did, i don't see much value in check jamming the river even if u have the best hand here 95% of the time villain may only call the 5% he is ahead (altho is close i think), and yes i think 110 or 115 is what i wud make it if i did have AT (TT or AQ - which i wud have jammed pre flop) u save 30 dollars on ur bluff and is easier to balance but i can see the argument for jamming whereas i cannot for 3 betting or flatting the 4 bet

Posted 11 months ago

fabi2266

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Yeah with 123 hands from villain I obv dont have these stats. Thats what I wrote in my first post of the hand - that I might had to shove with this thought progress preflop. Anyway if I think he 4bets with all kind of stuff and I see him checking postflop I can pretty surely say that hes weak.

He might jam TT/ AQ preflop but FR is always a bit nittier than 6max so I cant be sure, that he would play these hand this aggressively. Maybe I could have saved these 30 bucks but in these spots with a value hand I would think that he wont fold to a shove but call vs a 110 $ raise, so I also cant play it in an other way if Im bluffing (though I prob can do/ couldve done that without dynamic with villain like in this case).

Posted 11 months ago

snarble5

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i dont mind flatting pre the fisrt time, i'd probably flat the 4 bet if he had a full stack. I think post is well played though.

Posted 11 months ago

fabi2266

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Ok snarble, as you wrote the first time you wouldnt mind flatting pre but would you rather tend to shove considering he doesnt have a full stack?

Posted 11 months ago

snarble5

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depends if he's getting out of line. one reason i don't like flatting when he has an 80bb stack is i think it's less likely he bluffs pre.

Posted 11 months ago

fabi2266

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yeah but then thats a reason for folding not shoving right? Wink

Posted 11 months ago




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