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MP: $25.00
CO: $25.81
BTN: $50.43
SB: $10.85
Hero (BB): $27.71
UTG: $31.31
UTG+1: $18.48

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.62, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.62, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $2.13

Flop: ($6.22) 3 5 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero raises to $10, BTN raises to $47.68 all in, Hero folds

Played just fine? Villain is 11/9 reg who never 3bets.

I'm not exactly sure if flop raise / fold is good play here... When he raises his range is like QQ+ as I don't see him calling a 3bet with smaller pairs but dunno..

Edit: could be AKs too

After +200 hands he actually has 4% 3bet.

why would you take this line on the flop??????

why would you take this line on the flop??????

It was an accident because I was running out of time so I just checked... Normally I'd bet it.

let's use this as an intellectual exercise, since taking uncomfortable lines can sometimes yield more profit. at worst, you will usually develop as a poker player since you had to confront a new spot.

suppose i forced you to check. c/c? c/r? c/f? what do you need to think about to determine which lines is best?

I suppose their aggression and range? Or maybe you mean the EV of each.

start with range. EV is the last thing you can know. if you knew the ev of each action, would you even need to make a thread?

After calling my 3bet it's most often TT+ and maybe AKs. He wouldn't 3bet TT-QQ and AQ and maybe AK against UTG raise. KK+ he might sometimes.

So if I check then he bets QQ+ and checks with TT-JJ most of the time.

So check/raise is like the shittiest move you can make. And check/call is not very smart either so...

Is it a clear check/fold? I suppose.

i think you're wrong that he can't have 88/99, and you're also giving him a bit too much credit for playing perfectly here v your particular hand. i have no idea if someone will bet JJ/TT here, but it's probably not correct to make QQ+ the absolute cutoff

if he can't have 88/99, then your squeeze is probably bad

I see.

Then I suppose he mostly bets KK+ and possible sets for value, can't say if he would bet AKs there though. I don't think check/call is good here but if he checks back then you could bet turn for value.

But then again the check might look odd for him and he could bet it with anything, putting me on AQ+.In this case check/call is good.

So complicated for me.

But is it standard to call 3bet IP with smaller pocket pairs for like 1/10 of your stack?

haha, well start by describing his range. it's much easier when you think about what that is and why he would decide to bet what and check what.

Alright.

Let's suppose he cold calls all pocket pairs but only sometimes AA and KK.

So his range for calling is 22+

With 33, 55 and 66 he certainly bets and occasional KK+,

But the thing is that I don't know if he bets most of his range when I check it to him so check/call is not a good option is it?

Check/Raise he folds everything but sets and QQ+

a bit of terminology (not because i want to be nitty, but because it ensures that people understand each other): cold call=call a raise and a reraise without having acted yet. for instance, if the BB called here, he would be cold calling.

do you not think he could call some other holdings? AQs? AK? AJs? KQs? i know these don't amount to a ton of combos, but it is important we are accurate.

as far as how he plays once we check - that comes down to a lot of things. some ppl bet 88 and whatnot to protect, others do it to induce, etc. others may check back sets to induce bluffs on the turn, etc. you need to start by working out some assumptions. sometimes they are as potentially flawed as 'if i were here with X, i would....'

it helps to have some outside info, since you cannot assume everyone does what you do in all spots. anything you know about the player pool can be very helpful here.

Oops, I still have long ways to go with terminology.

No I don't think he would call these kind of hands, he is really tight and probably folds things like KQs/AJs to an UTG raise by another pretty tight player. I believe AK and AQs are the only hands he might call with and AK he sometimes 3bets. Pretty sure he would fold AQs to a 3bet.

Suppose we add AK to his range... So now his range is 22+ AK.

The best line would be to check and fold to a bet? (we assume he doesn't bet many of those hands)

And if he checks, then we can bet for value right?


PS. Semi-off-topic: Do you think like this in the middle of the game or is it something you do afterwards? Seems kinda hard to think these through in matter of seconds, but maybe players get more fast with them with practice or maybe it's more of a rough estimation during multi-tabling.