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jmay3.14

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This is 1/2 live hand 9 players Silks Tampa.

BACKGROUND/READS:
I belive I had a TAGish image. Rarely limp, bet/fold type lines, etc. I'm not cbetting many flops against multiple opponents. Was getting respect with Cbets and taking down pots in position.

I'm in seat4. Opponent in seat6. Opponent is 20ish guy with hat and a few tatoos who sat down about 45 min ago. He seemed to play fairly solid first few orbits. He played one hand trappy flat calling KK then betting folp. Someone else raised him AI on the flop and raise got another caller from old guy on Jxx board. He tanked and flipped over his KK while still deciding how to play. Mucked KK and opponent showed set of Js. My initial impression is he seemed solid and knew when to get away from old guys with good hands.

Interesting thing is that after the hand I'm going to post he turned from TAG to maniac. For next hr. or two he overbet many pots, played many hands, straddled both in position and from everywhere else, etc. I hadn't seen that behavior yet. I have seen some regular straddles from this opponent up to this point. Maybe the alcohol kicked in for him or I gave him the momenem he needed??

HAND:
Hero stack = $230
Opponent stack = $120

Opponent straddles button to $4. 3 callers

I have TTs and raise to 15, opponent calls from straddle and one more caller.
Pot ~$56

/* I'm not surprised to see opponent call from straddle and try to defend */

Flop:
863 rainbow
check, I bet nearly pot $50, opponent calls, fold
Pot ~$156 - rake

/* I'm surprised to see this call */

Turn:
Low card / blank
Hero checks, opponent checks

/* wasn't sure if I wanted to play over pair TT hand for $120 after the pre-flop and post flop action */

River:
Hero?

/* I'm sure there are other more trappy/passive ways to get to a different spot. I guess I could have called the TTs and then called the straddle's raise out of position looking for good flop. Maybe c/r the flop? However, I'm trying to keep a solid TAG type image and not appear weak vs. field or against LAGs. */

Posted 12 months ago

FaceMyAlterEgo

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Why would you cbet 50 into 56 with TT on a raggedy board, if you are NOT happy to bet the rest of villains stack, which is only half pot, on a brick turn?

In general you should almost always put the rest in on this turn.

Posted 12 months ago

strukl

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the pot on the turn is 156 and he has 55behind. as played you have to ship this. i would raise bigger preflop, i think pot raise is 27$ so around that

Posted 12 months ago

HJD

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anything but allin ott is terrible imo. flop is a little big, id bet like 35ish i think.

Posted 12 months ago

yakes

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I agree with HJD on betting smaller on the flop.
Also, with his small stack there is no reason not to put him all in on the turn or if you thought he would push on the turn if you checked, then checking the turn with the intention of calling an all in or betting all in on the river if he checks back is a fine alternative line.

Posted 12 months ago

jmay3.14

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Is there ever a bet/fold on the river - say stacks were bigger like both starting with 100BB? Are we worried about JJ+ or random 2 pair from straddler? With bigger stacks I'm worried about being spewish with a pair. Do you think he was just floating a $50 bet to take it later with less than a full stack?

Posted 12 months ago

Jimbothegreatest

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I probably bet less on the flop, hoping that he either thinks he can shove over the top as a steal, or that he has to call with something like A8. Whatever happens, with these stacks, I'm committed on this flop, and oh well if he has me beat.

There is no low card on the turn that we can call a "blank." Every single card is bad for us against what we can perceive as his range. That said, I'm still not folding; in fact, I'm shoving. Checking to induce a bluff is pretty silly, it doesn't look like any bluff can get through. What might happen is he checks behind, river is a King, you shove and he folds his 5-4o missed straight draw, which he would have called with on the turn. So by checking you are allowing him to play perfectly on the river, for some of his hands.

When he set him all in on the turn, you are giving him 4 to 1 on his money. He should be calling with pretty much anything. Let's say he has 8-7 and the "blank" turn was a 5, giving a straight draw as well as his pair - well then, he's making a mistake by folding. And in all honesty, if he is calling half his stack on the flop, and then folding for the other half on the turn, there should be $ signs in your eyes...

Edit: I can't see on here what the river card was? But it really doesn't matter. You should never be folding this river.

Posted 12 months ago

Jimbothegreatest

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I agree with HJD on betting smaller on the flop.
Also, with his small stack there is no reason not to put him all in on the turn or if you thought he would push on the turn if you checked, then checking the turn with the intention of calling an all in or betting all in on the river if he checks back is a fine alternative line.



Yes I think HJD is right about betting slightly smaller. With these stack sizes, I think checking the turn is out. Much better to just put him all in now, not give yourself any difficult decisions later on.

Posted 12 months ago

Jimbothegreatest

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Is there ever a bet/fold on the river - say stacks were bigger like both starting with 100BB? Are we worried about JJ+ or random 2 pair from straddler? With bigger stacks I'm worried about being spewish with a pair. Do you think he was just floating a $50 bet to take it later with less than a full stack?




Stacks have to be pretty big to bet/fold the river.
With bigger stacks, I would check turn to perhaps induce bluffs from that type of player. More likely, I would be better smaller all the way through, and likely folding to a raise. As I said, there is no low/blank that can hit the turn. ANY low card smashes into his range.

Posted 12 months ago

chuckd33

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i think you should ship this on the turn, but on the turn you noted it was a low card blank. any low card connects with this board

Posted about 1 month ago




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