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Sitting in a £1-£2 game. Four good regs, a couple of value spots.

I am dealt A Q in the CO. Stack approx £600.

Two players limp and I make it £14.
The BTN shoves for £34. He has been involved in a few big pots, got very unlucky in them all, and is ready to go home...

Blinds fold. First limper, a very bad loose player, calls, with £127 behind.

Second limper, a solid reg, good/winning player (possibly makes a living out of the game), calls the £34.

I make it £104 total, so £70 on top.

Bad player dwells and then shoves for £127.

Solid reg dwells for even longer. He asks the dealer a couple of questions that leads me to believe that he didn't realize at first that the BTN was all in when he made it £34 (not sure how important this is). Have played with this guy quite a lot, he thinks of me as a good winning player, a lot more loose and aggressive than most other players.

After a while, he slides his stack over the line for a total of £352 more.

Sick spot. Are we snapping here?

Tough spot. Not going to break down math atm but calling the $400 stack seems tough although your equity in the pot is probably very good. His actions indicate a hand like TT.

685 in the pot, right? 282 for us to call? So we´re getting 2.5:1, needing ~28% equity. Can´t see how we can fold that.

Even if Villain showed us KK we got the right odds to call. Against TT+, AK (with KK+ being very unlikely, imho) we have 35%.

685 in the pot, right? 282 for us to call? So we´re getting 2.5:1, needing ~28% equity. Can´t see how we can fold that.

Even if Villain showed us KK we got the right odds to call. Against TT+, AK (with KK+ being very unlikely, imho) we have 35%.

well i didn't check your pot odds math but you need to consider that this is not a heads-up pot. everyone took such strange lines i am not sure about the ranges but this would be my guess

Equity Win Tie
UTG 25.20% 22.80% 2.40% { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }
MP1 38.27% 36.76% 1.50% { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
CO 20.04% 18.30% 1.74% { AsQs }
BU 16.49% 15.93% 0.56% { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A8o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+ }

so we are looking at 20% equity

Second limper, a solid reg, good/winning player (possibly makes a living out of the game)

based on the line he took in this hand i doubt he is a very strong player

well i didn't check your pot odds math but you need to consider that this is not a heads-up pot. everyone took such strange lines i am not sure about the ranges but this would be my guess

Equity Win Tie
UTG 25.20% 22.80% 2.40% { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }
MP1 38.27% 36.76% 1.50% { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
CO 20.04% 18.30% 1.74% { AsQs }
BU 16.49% 15.93% 0.56% { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A8o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+ }

so we are looking at 20% equity

Ah, my fault, but it´s still not correct to say we have only 20% - because there is one mainpot and three sidepots. So we had to dissect any sidepot and see if we get the right equity to call for this sidepot (and thus if we get the correct overall equity).

I´d still estimate, we´re committed to call.

based on the line he took in this hand i doubt he is a very strong player

Should I reveal his hand yet?
Basically though, I am aggressive and I bet pre flop. Standard. Then someone goes all in, two players call. I then re-raise to isolate the guy who's all in and to take a heads-up shot at the dead money in the pot... That's how he's seeing it. I don't think he's factoring enough into his calculations that I would also be doing this with good hands in this situation, and that this was a tough table and I was playing pretty tight compared to usual...

I'll be honest, I found the whole situation very tough. My assessments of the players' ranges were:

BTN (first guy who went all in after a couple of badbeats in last few hands) = any two, literally. He was just gonna go home.

Bad player = Any pair probably, and any broadway cards. Probably any suited Ace as well.

Good player = AQ+, 77-TT.

Stove currently crunching the numbers, has us all at approximately 25%!!

Highly weighted to AA, maybe KK. Like you said, he views you as "as a good winning player, a lot more loose and aggressive than most other players." Probably limped in hoping for just such a situation to develop.

I think he would most likely have raised when it went to £34 and was called. There's enough money in there to try and take down. Like I said, he hadn't even realized the guy was all in, so couldn't have dreamed I'd be coming over the top to isolate. So I can't put him on a premium like AA-QQ.

Should I reveal his hand yet?

Only 7 days after the last post? Why this rush?

So what does he have then, 78 suited? T9s?

The BTN shoves for £34.
I make it £104 total, so £70 on top.
Bad player dwells and then shoves for £127.
After a while, Solid reg slides his stack over the line for a total of £352 more.

Betting is still open when "Bad player" shoves for less than a minraise? Why is "Solid reg" allowed to raise here?


As far as the hand is concerned, it would be good to know how often "Solid reg" limps behind. If he doesn't do it much he's probably trapping since it's fairly likely that one of the short stacks is going to ship it in and when they do somebody will be trying to isolate.
If his range is wider than that (like medium PPs), I'd snap call. Plenty of dead money and side pots.

Betting is still open when "Bad player" shoves for less than a minraise? Why is "Solid reg" allowed to raise here?

The solid reg didn´t call our 2nd raise yet, so he was allowed to shove over our raise anyway, the shortie-shove doesn´t change anything.

Oh, I see. You're right.