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$1/$3 Blinds, $100-$300 Capped Buy-in, 7 handed
Effective stacks w/ relevant villian=$300

I'd been playing for a couple of hours, had built my stack up to about $500 and just lost a big pot with an overpair against a rivered flush. Back down to a $300 starting stack.
UTG folds, UTG+1 open-limps, MP raises to $21, fold,
Hero on the BTN with 99 call,
SB call, BB fold, UTG+1 folds
Pot is $67

Flop: K94
SB check, MP bets $30, Hero call, SB fold
Pot is $127

Turn: A
MP bets $50
Hero?

Thoughts on the hand:
Villian is about 23 years old and he's probably one of the better players at the table, but judging by some of his bet sizing and the way he played in previous hands, he's "good" for a live $1/$3 game.

When he raises big preflop I put him squarely on a premium range. Because of some earlier hands, I don't think he's isolating the limper. He's just raising big because he doesn't want to take a bad beat. I'm definately set mining.

OTF: I was hoping to get an overcall from the SB so I chose to flat the c-bet.
OTT: I actually got a little bit of a live read that he liked the Ace.

Thoughts?

Raise big

I don't expect most players at $1/3 live to barrel the turn here as a bluff, so when this villain does it, he has a strong hand. If villain is capable of b/f a hand like AQ/AJ on the turn, I would just call and let him bet again on the river. If not, then go ahead and make a value raise.

i like a raise on every street from you. i would raise pre, flatting is fine, i would only flat nits, maniacs i'm three betting all day on button with 99's,

definetely raise flop, i understand your plan but all due respect i really think you have to raise

turn is an absolute raise

how are we going to stack fish if we are not raising in this scenario, i mean all streets, again raising pre is very player and game flow/image dependent

raising on flop and turn is a must

I think we have to charge draws on the turn, also, if a straightening or flush card hits the river it might freeze the action. The flop is kind of dry, I think calling is fine, don't know about 3 betting 99, I kind of like set mining better.

Betting 50 into a pot size of 127 sure seems fishy for someone you have a read on "Likes" his hand?

This said, I am getting it in on the hand, so why not raise. Make it 130 or so, and watch the money go in.

Since you like Bart, doesn't he say "if the opponent is willing to get it in on an earlier street, DO IT! " ?

One thing, you said he was a good player judging by his bet sizing. If this is true, I would not be surprised to see set over set here.

which

I'm raising the turn for value. Doubt that most players are capable of folding big two pair hands or even TPTK. My plan would be value bet most rivers if villian flats out raise. Snap calling if villian shoves turn.

When villian bet $50 OTT, I think I can dismiss QQ and JJ from his range. With his preflop raise size, I think he has a range of JJ+, maybe TT, AK and possibly AQ (but unlikely).

So, when the A hits the turn and he bets, I think I'm looking at AA, KK or AK a lot of the time. There are 3 combos of AA, 3 of KK and 9 combos of AK. Even against that range I'm like a 55% favorite (Played w/ stove afterwards...) At the time, I hated the turn card because I felt like my hand lost a bunch of equity. Thinking about it now, maybe the A is ok because now AK is never folding and I can easily get the money in....

In the hand, I actually shoved the turn for $200 more to try and get max value because he's never folding (if I've analyzed his range correctly) and I want to get it in against AK and not lose the action if a scary river comes.

I know this is a big bet, but after he bets $50 and I call, the pot is $227 and I've got $200 behind.

In the actual hand, he snap called my shove w/ AA and I was drawing to one out (didn't hit btw)

Thoughts?

Cooler. No matter what, you're getting chips in the middle because he's not folding on the flop with AA. Only difference is your all-in EV would be grosser after getting 2 outered after getting the money in.

If you dont wanna stack off here then why even play this hand? To quads- mine?
Btw, is there a bad beat jackpot, and would the 9 on the river qualify, and if so would this give us pot odds to call if we know he has AA>?

If you dont wanna stack off here then why even play this hand? To quads- mine?
Btw, is there a bad beat jackpot, and would the 9 on the river qualify, and if so would this give us pot odds to call if we know he has AA>?

Most casino's have a BBJ of aces full of jacks losing at a minimum. All the ones around me need quads to be a losing hand to hit it.

If I'd made quads we wouldn't have hit the jackpot. It has to be at least aces full of tens beat by something else to qualify. Both cards in the hands must play as well.

Did you have any other reads on this player? Was he tighter/looser passive/aggro did he flex his raise sizes pre due to hand strength? was this his standard bet sizes post or out of the ordinary?
Ill give you what I would do with the information you gave me and reply to some of the other replys.
First dont 3bet preflop thats terrible, your munipulating his range to fold everything you beat and call/jam everything that crushes you plus you want this hand to go multiway.
Flop play I would flat dry board and you hope the SB comes along plus the SPR is already 2 so its pretty easy to get the $ in on the turn and river plus your IP.
Turn I would flat again. Your either way ahead or way behinde and your IP the pot will be 227$ leaving you 200$ so easy river shove if he checks to you. Im not really worried about him having a draw unless he has specifically QsJs or Js10s which may not even be in his pre flop raising range.
I see spots like this come up some times in live poker where my opponent has a preflop raise sizing tell in that he flexes his raise size bigger with big hands. If this is one of those opponents then id say his range on the turn is AA KK and AK discounting some AK hands IMO because not many low stakes live players value AK in there premiuim hand catagory thus they do not raise bigger with it. If thats his range here were not doing to well against it but I dont think id ever find a fold. Id call call probably or call/ bet if he checks the river to me.

If you dont wanna stack off here then why even play this hand? To quads- mine?

I think my turn decision in this hand is where I question my decision. Not because I shouldn't get it in, but what's the most effective way to get all the money in the pot against the villians range. I chose to raise/jam OTT and I think he's probably calling w/ AK there, but maybe it would be better to raise smaller OTT and get it in OTR or just call the turn and hope he bets again to then shove the river.

TBH, I prefer a flop raise than a turn raise... and I prefer a river raise to a turn raise as well.... IF villain is a "good" hand reader this should like a good card for you to try to take a stab at the pot with thus making this a good card to raise as you're likely to have turned equity and he's liable to think you're taking a stab when an overcard hits. If he isn't a "good" hand reader I flat then raise/jam any river

For the record when I say "good" I'm refering to good for lollive. which really just means active.


People like to call more than they liek to fold... but flat and let him value town himself on the river. Don't let him know until it's too late