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Jayecob

Bruce-lee1227244510

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Joined 12/09

Simulating sng situations with SNGWiz and Vandwellers Excel ICM Calculator
http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/13-Videos/topics/16047-Blackboard-Vandweller-2-I i came to a spot where SNGWiz give me (completely) other numbers than vandwellers calculator does.

[IMG]http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy352/User1986/K2spush.jpg[/IMG]

So sngwiz suggests to push ~40%, but if you do this calculation with vandweller excel sheet you can only push ~34-35% (Needed EQ ~50%)?

Why these differences?

Posted about 1 month ago


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Jayecob

Bruce-lee1227244510

5 posts
Joined 12/09

here is the link for the picture, hope it works this way
[IMG]http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy352/User1986/th_K2spush.jpg[/IMG]

Posted about 1 month ago

kadazuro

Avatarpoker_80x80

73 posts
Joined 10/09

hi.
mr vandweller advises on the video that between the wiz and the excel file are there gonna be small differences because the wiz calculates the values slightly different.

now, the 39% your see on the wiz that what the range wiz is recommending you to push with, thats is correct.

but the 34-35% percent you see on van's excel file is not a hand range, is the minimum winning percentage required from your hand in order to make the shove a +$eV. in this case if you put your k2s vs the 31% range (the calling range the villain has), you will see that K2s win 41% of the time, what makes the shove a +$ev

so, wiz gives you the hand range, and van's how often you will need to win(winning percentage no hand range)

if you take a look on the wiz in the analysis detail, you will find the winning percentage required for your hand and that one would be a pretty close number to the one in van's file.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2223/handm.png

hope that helps.

Posted about 1 month ago

Jayecob

Bruce-lee1227244510

5 posts
Joined 12/09

now i understand it, good explanation
thank you

Posted about 1 month ago

vandweller

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Hey, that's what I was gonna say!

Additionally, the main difference in the equities between the two is that SNGWiz takes into account future action in the hand. My spreadsheet assumes that once you fold, the hand is over. This is a simplification, albeit a necessary one for my purposes. The Wiz, correctly I might add, is smart enough to know that if you fold, opponents remaining in the hand have their own shoving and calling ranges and will act on them. Wiz calculates the outcome of what happens when they act and incorporates that into the "EQ Fold" number.

Posted about 1 month ago



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