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steinarne

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Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: t3800
CO: t2040
BTN: t5320
Hero (SB): t2340

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with T Club T Heart
CO raises to t2040 all in, BTN calls t2040, Hero ??

Posted almost 5 years ago

Sharpy808

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IMO, it sucks but I think a fold is appropriate here. Let the big stack take the shot. Worst thing that can happen is the CO doubles thru the BTN... best thing, BTN knocks out CO and your equity goes up.

Must always preface this by saying that if I am incorrect someone please set me straight Smile

Posted almost 5 years ago

steinarne

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I dont know the math here either, so it would be nice if someone could come up with some numbers.

Posted almost 5 years ago

BrianJensen

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Fold. Like Sharpy said, it sucks, but the CO is most likely attempting a steal to get out of the cellar and got caught. A triple up would be nice, however I'd pick a better spot to get it all-in with.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Sharpy808

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I dont know the math here either, so it would be nice if someone could come up with some numbers.



ok heres the numbers:

EqP%: 11.18
Eqf%: 23.61
Diff%: -12.42

Fold

P.S. thats with no reads on any players

Posted almost 5 years ago

AMT

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ok heres the numbers:

EqP%: 11.18
Eqf%: 23.61
Diff%: -12.42

Fold

P.S. thats with no reads on any players



you should list the ranges that you assigned to them to best understand the answer that it gives you. sngwiz only tells you what you tell it first, so it's important to analyze these factors.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Sharpy808

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sorry Smile The "with no reads" meant I left everyone at "average". Should have just said that.

Posted almost 5 years ago

steinarne

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so what hand would be profitable to call with? thanks for the replys btw

Posted almost 5 years ago

Hypnotic

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Nebulosity

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I would also commence turbo-mucking. I think profitable hands would be QQ+, not sure Id even play JJ here, I think you are flipping with AK or AQ at a minimum, but then again I'm still working on my game, would be interested in hearing others.

Posted almost 5 years ago

steinarne

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ok heres the numbers:

EqP%: 11.18
Eqf%: 23.61
Diff%: -12.42

Fold

P.S. thats with no reads on any players



SO these numbers indicate that both plays are profitable, but folding is more profitable?

Posted almost 5 years ago

forker

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Is it correct that you would need QQ+ better KK+ to make this call profitable?
Might be a spot where I get out of the way even with QQ.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Sharpy808

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First let me say that im sorry I jumped the gun on running these numbers on a piece of software that im am very new at using. I will defer to Hypnotic or AMT in the future until I get a firm handle on running these calcs. Never the less stats wer run just straight up, unaltered, raw SnGWiz.

SO these numbers indicate that both plays are profitable, but folding is more profitable?



Profitable in comparison to how it effects your over-all equity. I believe this would be a true statement. I won't elaborate any further on this, as I feel I am not yet qualified to say more without risk of giving you bad information.

GL at the tables

Posted almost 5 years ago

HighPockets

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Without looking at the numbers I would also turbo-muck here. You have 2 players all-in in front of you and one player still to act behind you and *You're on the bubble*. I think I would need KK or AA to call here. Maybe QQ if I thought the two players were loose.

For people looking for numbers/ranges here is an example.

Without knowing anything about any of the players I'm just going to assume both players are pretty tight.

If we say that CO is pushing with 10% (55+, AT+, A8s+), Button is pushing with 6% (88+, AQ+, AJs+) and bb will only call with QQ+, then your Diff% for calling with TT is -2.61 which is a huge loss. With these ranges you could profitably call with QQ+.

You need to open up the ranges quite a bit for calling with TT to be profitable here. E.g. Say that CO is opening with 20% (33+, A4+, A2s+, KQ+, KTs+) and lets say that bb will still only call with QQ+. What does the button need to be pushing with for a TT call to be profitable? Wiz says he needs to call 13% (44+, A9+, A5s+, KJs+) for a TT call to be profitable. So if both CO and button are quite loose and bb is tight you have a situation where calling with TT can be profitable.

Posted almost 5 years ago




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