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iforsyth

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Thought I would get it all in here, but I'm not sure that this was the correct decision. Should I have played the hand differently?

Bovada 2.25 $1000 Guaranteed Rebuy Tourney
Blinds 250/500
Ante 50

Stacks:
SB Seat1: 4815
BB Seat2: 14,230 {ME - HERO}
UTG Seat3: 12,670
UTG+1 Seat 5: 15,555
UTG+2 Seat 6: 13,375
UTG+3 Seat 7: 67,661 {VILLAIN}
UTG+4 Seat 8 24,827

I'm dealt A Heart J Heart

Pre-flop:

Villain raises to 3650.
I call in BB. Don't have much information on Villain, but I want to see a flop.

Flop is KSpade 3 Heart K Heart

I push all in and get called...

Thanks,

Ian

Posted 10 months ago

rrumsey

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you called a 7.3X open for like 26% of your stack why? i assume its past rebuy period. that's all kinds of bad man. "i want to see a flop" is bad logic to justify a massive peel OOP with a crappy hand.

what range do you think he opens massively with? how is AJs doing? what happens if you flop a J or a FD otf whats your plan?

you seem to be praying to catch something here otf, its a horrible peel oop. if he min bet or 2.5x its a lot better odds, but this is a huge open

Posted 10 months ago

iforsyth

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I think that's fair; and yes, I should have just folded pre-flop. I was OOP with AJs, and that's bad in itself. Given that I did call, however,what should have done on the flop? Fold?

Posted 10 months ago

rrumsey

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I think that's fair; and yes, I should have just folded pre-flop. I was OOP with AJs, and that's bad in itself. Given that I did call, however,what should have done on the flop? Fold?


actually it isn't, you need to look beyond just im OOP with AJs. If odds were good, dynamics, stack sizes, ect its fine.

Posted 10 months ago

snowboard789

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arjunt1

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I think that's fair; and yes, I should have just folded pre-flop. I was OOP with AJs, and that's bad in itself. Given that I did call, however,what should have done on the flop? Fold?



Ship it! Part of the time you are repping a K here so you have decent FE plus your obvious 9, possibly 13 outs if he's holding 99/10's and spazzed preflop. I saw a guy in this exact same spot just check call his whole 25BB stack with KDiamond JDiamond on a 2 diamond flop after calling a preflop raise.

Point is, if you are planning on calling a shove with your A-high flush draw, you might as well open shove and pickup the extra FE.

Posted 10 months ago

HowIMetUrRiver

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You are playing an oppo who has 100+bb stack in a 2$ rebuy. He is probably a huge whale whose raisingrange is epic and so is his callingrange probably. So just keep it simple and shove preflop, where you have his range crushed.

Posted 9 months ago

rrumsey

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Idk how you guys are making these massive assumptions lol. I would check and then either call if I think the guy is shoving wide and folding when I didn't think this. Shoving forces him to play perfect and we get the minimal out of the weak part of his range

Posted 9 months ago

arjunt1

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Idk how you guys are making these massive assumptions lol. I would check and then either call if I think the guy is shoving wide and folding when I didn't think this. Shoving forces him to play perfect and we get the minimal out of the weak part of his range



Not sure if you are talking about preflop or flop here. There's 7500 in the pot on the flop and he has about 11k remaining, I would think the best option is try and take the pot now, check calling/folding seems really weak.

Posted 9 months ago

shuttle

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preflop is a massive disaster, as played just ship the flop.

Posted 9 months ago

micsquab

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Yep I am shoving this flop. Prob would shove pre flop too if I think he is just trying to run the table over with his stack, and betting like this with a wide range pre. Its a pretty stupid open size with a premium hand.

Posted 9 months ago

rrumsey

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preflop is a massive disaster, as played just ship the flop.


i mean shoving just seems to be compounding a massive mistake pre thou man. Why do fish open huge pre? generally they have a strong range imo

Not sure if you are talking about preflop or flop here. There's 7500 in the pot on the flop and he has about 11k remaining, I would think the best option is try and take the pot now, check calling/folding seems really weak.


who cares if it is weak or not, about EV lol. Why do we decide to overshove OTF into what im going to assume is a strong preflop range on a board that hits his range a lot. Seems really thin to jam 30 BB in a weak field. We dont need to be hyper variant here lol.

Yep I am shoving this flop. Prob would shove pre flop too if I think he is just trying to run the table over with his stack, and betting like this with a wide range pre. Its a pretty stupid open size with a premium hand.


just bc it is a stupid open size for a premium doesn't mean he isnt doing this with premiums. fish do dumb things with big hands a lot of the time. his sizing clearly is fishy so what is a fish opening that big with that he is planning on folding pre? and how are we doing against that range being allin pre? you really need to ask yourself this bc its pretty clear we are shit against both of them. Plus it is mega variant to fling a 30BB stack in there in such a soft field!!

Posted 9 months ago

micsquab

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I guess its gonna be fish dependent. Does he do this with premiums, suited connectors, Axs, 22-77. I think Fish tend to slow play the big pairs more often than not. So if I have a read he is doing this with trash I would shove pre.

Posted 9 months ago

HowIMetUrRiver

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Its obv. not a fistpumpjam preflop, but I believe MTTlers(I used to play a decent Volume) overrate the edges they have.

I would say without much info your oppos Range here can be 55+,A8s+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,87s,ATo+,KQo. I put 78s in there, as hes gonna have a few lowish suited or unsuited connectors a few times. I honestly think the Range i assigned is even more on a tighter side, but thats just an assumption. Vs. that Range you have 49.04% Equity and thats not even considering FE. I would even go as far and say folding would be a mistake.

Posted 9 months ago

rrumsey

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I think your range is way wrong on what a fish massively raises utg+3 and your assuming you actually realize all the equity which is terrible with no reads and being oop

Posted 9 months ago




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