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I'm starting to play these again, and am not sure what the optimal strategy is yet. I'm basically at a 8-handed table full of fish, some of them mega fish, ~85/15, but how many of those guys really depend on the pub. The strong, to be feared players play a 30/10 game, no one knows shove strategy, but most of them play ~ 50/10 games. They're 40bb-100bb for a few orbits, but they're mostly very short stacked. I have to buy a meal for extra chips, other than that it's 0 rake, with a total prize pool of $500-$1500, and I can win entry to a seasonal tournament worth $10k, defintely some value here.

I played these reguarly awhile ago, but I quickly recieved a reputation of being a terrible aggro monkey. I would raise over their 40% range limps with KTo IP, which to them was overplaying it so much, but I recieved the most heat for my late-game strategy of shoving very wide. It got to the point that people where gossiping about how much of a donkey I was, and where telling others to calls my shoves who were thinking about folding, and all cheering whenever I busted from a loose shove, or conversely went on tilt when my loose shoves win, ahaha, which was bad for me because it caused them to play better but whatever. The good thing about this is they failed to differiate my early game strategy from my late game strategy, even if I only played one hand in a hour, they'd still do lol ridicolous stuff at my superior ranges. However, I don't really want to repeat this, as amusing as it is, so I'm gonna be a wee bit tighter late game than I once was, the payout structure isn't as deep as it once was anyway so I need to somewhat.

I'm not sure how to play preflop in some situations. I have been isolating with, but with a superior range and am getting to the flop 3-4 way. They also limp stuff like KJo fairly often, which is a bit annoying since they also limp J7o and protects their range a wee bit, but whatever.

I'm thinking I need to be more passive preflop early-middle game, since I basically have no fold equity. So if I'm on the BU with KTo, and am facing 3-4 50/10 limpers, 40bb deep, what's my play? Should I try overlimping? What if I have 87s? 44? A7o? What about when I'm 15-25bb deep with these hands? Or when I'm in MP, 15-20bb and it's been unopened with these types of hands?

Some hands:

1)

On the BU with A3o/30bb, most people are around that stack size, facing 3 limpers, 1 decent 35/10, 1 50/10 and 1 85/10. The flop comes A75, I get checked to and the first limper, the 85/10, min x/r me. It seems in these venues that min-raises are very strong hands, it's their way of getting value. I figured I was ahead, but wasn't sure how much, and wasn't sure if he'd double barrel if it was some funky bluff, but I thought that was very unlikely. What's my sequece?


2)

In the BB, facing 1 limper, 85/15, with AKo at 22bb. Villain does't fold anything, There's one dead A that has been exposed, and another player, when seeing the dead A, had a minor fit when he saw it and folded his hand apparetly due to seeing the A, suggesting he also had a A. So it's likely there's two dead A in the deck.

It seems my equity reduces 5% for every card missing. My range however, still crushes his, but I'm OOP without much fold equity. If I cbet on a dry board, I'm probably actually value betting, and I'll be left with a very awkward stack size on the turn. What's my sequence here?

I forgot to mention; with the A3o, 1), I limped behind. I've decided this is too loose btw, probably needed a minimum of A7o to limp, or suited.

I've thought about it, figured 1) was a fold preflop, and fold on the flop. 2) should just be a shove.

Nobody folds in a pub league.I Mean no-one folds
So I open larger with my value range which is JJ+( 5x even up to 8x) and while the blinds are low just play any hand that has good implied odds and use position, the suited and suited connectors and of course the set mine.
If u hand select well then u will get the better of them.
Stop Isoing unless u are top 5-10% hands , u cant iso if they dont fold

The thing is, if you fold that much, not only are you leaving money on the table, but you're causing them to play better by folding more. But you're right, they never fold, so if that's the case, why would I fold A9o? If they're limp/calling with A2o, and calling 1 street with a 2 and A high, and 3 barrels with a A(would be 2 if I played 5-10%) and they raise AT-AK half the time preflop, folding is just fair from optimal.

And I think suited connectors lose their value <50bb.



Turns out one of the games is 200bb at the start, and plays 40bb+ for over a hour =D

Nobody folds in a pub league.I Mean no-one folds
So I open larger with my value range which is JJ+( 5x even up to 8x) and while the blinds are low just play any hand that has good implied odds and use position, the suited and suited connectors and of course the set mine.
If u hand select well then u will get the better of them.
Stop Isoing unless u are top 5-10% hands , u cant iso if they dont fold

^^ This. Playing against bad players who call looser means you have to open tighter and exploit your PF equity edge. It's like playing a home game against my nephews. Nephew 1 will call ANY bet preflop, nephew 2 will call ANY bet on the flop/turn/River as long as he flops a pair. So they way to beat them is just to wait for big pairs preflop and raise big, or limp speculative hands (small ball) and know that when you hit they are going to pay you off with TPTK. Easy. Same method applies to really bad players, there's no point in open raising your 910s in the CO because they are NEVER folding A high preflop, and without FE you are probably just better off limping or maybe just min raise opening to block raises from 44+-99+,AJ/AQ/AK hands that they tend to overcall way too often.

I think youse have it backwards; if someone on the river has a two hand range, one is TP, the other is MP, and he will never fold them to any bet, compared to a person who only has TP in his range and will never fold, who will you bet wider against? Because ITT you're telling me you'd tighten your range against the person who will call with MP and TP.

Agreed with last post!

If people aren't folding anything then we can get MORE value by raising WIDER. Usually trashy high card hands like k7 etc become for value if they're limp/calling with 66 and such.

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