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Hi!
This is a big ante tournament micromillions event 12
So, should i call, iso, like i did or just fold because i have 31 bb-s? BTW there are antes in the middle for 4500 chips
Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1250.00/t2500.00 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1823092
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Hero (CO): t77896.00 31.16 BBs
BTN: t50040.00 20.02 BBs - VPIP: 11, PFR: 5, 3B: 6, AF: 1.0, Hands: 38
SB: t211604.00 84.64 BBs - VPIP: 63, PFR: 50, 3B: NaN, AF: Infinity, Hands: 8
BB: t36421.00 14.57 BBs - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 9.0, Hands: 97
UTG: t62878.00 25.15 BBs - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: NaN, AF: NaN, Hands: 3
UTG+1: t143539.00 57.42 BBs - VPIP: 38, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 8
UTG+2: t50479.00 20.19 BBs - VPIP: 25, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 1.7, Hands: 200
MP1: t20050.00 8.02 BBs - VPIP: 21, PFR: 21, 3B: 12, AF: 1.7, Hands: 70
MP2: t124258.00 49.70 BBs - VPIP: 22, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, Hands: 27

Pre Flop: (t3750) Hero is CO with A Q
3 folds, MP1 raises to t19550, 1 fold, Hero raises to t77396, 1 fold, SB calls t76146, 1 fold

Flop: (t176842) 7 T 9 (3 players)

Turn: (t176842) 5 (3 players)

River: (t176842) 3 (3 players)

Final Pot: t176842
Hero shows A Q
SB shows 7 7
MP1 shows Q K
SB wins t65650.00
(Rake: t-4500)

Hey there, Im not much of a MTT player, I stick to 18 man SNGs. However, I thought I would throw in my 2 cents.

Obviously we know that MP1 has to make a move and should be shoving pretty wide from that spot. AQs is way to strong to fold at this point, so I would throw that option out of the window. Now if we call we give the both the Btn and SB decent odds on a call to see a flop where we are not gunna hit all that often and this will put us in an awkard spot post-flop. Another option would be to raise but our raise would be putting in over half our stack. So, I like your initial play. Stack it in and maximize your fold equity and hope for the best. The fact that the chip leader was willing to risk over 1/3 of his stack with med pair is a horrible play. All you can say is good hand and move on to your next tourny =).

GL at the tables sir!

Charette

Definitely shoving there, nh.

Nice answer, Charette

I've been in this same spot many times, and when you have a big stack behind he's going to call you very wide. I hate jamming here with AQ, I know you should, but I hate doing it because the SB is going to look you up so often with so many hands which sure, you have EQ against but now you have to put your life on a coin flip.

I know a flat sounds crazy, but I think I would rather flat here because I just don't think you have as much FE against the SB as you think. In fact I think this is a spot where people tend to often grossly overestimate their FE. Put the 20k in, and if he jams call 100% of the time, same result happens pre-flop. You are just 100% never folding to any action on the flop, so why not just flat and take a flop and then see what happens? He still makes a mistake when he shoves worse hands pre and doesn't raise made hands. So really there's no way for him to play perfectly against your flat unless you flop an A/Q and he makes his set. Vs. you simply flatting, calling any raise pre, and making a flop evaluation. I just don't think the argument of "giving the SB odds" to call with any 2 cards really applies because the fact is, you are beating any 2 random cards pretty badly, and behind all pocket pairs already.

Remember you are flatting in a spot where most people are isolating wide, that looks scary enough.

This hand for example could have gone:
Raise, Call, Call
Flop
Check Check
Bet Fold

And now you have 58k left.

Or it goes
Raise, Call, Call
Flop
Bet Fold

Or ideally it goes
Raise, Call, Call
Flop (you spike)
Bet/check, you shove

If you had slightly more chips, like say 40BB+ then I think your FE goes up a huge amount.

There's an interesting calculation in one poker book I read for the SB's perspective. Given that MP+1 is shoving any two cards, it is a given that the SB is calling with any 2 decent cards. So the 20k is implicit. When you shove for 77K his real odds are 57K to win 82K or 1.4 odds vs. the 74k to win 82K or 1.1 odds that you think he has. This is why SB call here so often with that relative stack and people with AQs go "OMG I can't believe you called with 77 for 75k!!!!" If he open shoves the flop then you get to make the same decision you had preflop with more information based on the board texture. An A, Q, or clubs is how you win this hand, not FE.

Ok, i see your point arjunt1 and i definitely see flatting as a somewhat valid option but there's one thing also that speaks for the AQs ai, instead of a flat and that is seeing the turn and the river- while when you flat you only see the flop probably. So with the ai you kind of improve your broadways equity?

Personally i don't feel comfortable flatting for more then 25% of my stack and leaving the option for both the Btn,SB and Bb to come over top of us causing us to fold such a good hand. Im more comfortable doing the jamming myself.

I think the HH converter is confusing the situation a bit here - I think it has not put the antes (500 each) in preflop. The antes makes the preflop/antes stage 8250, you could say it's a bit like blinds of 2750/5500 and hero has 14 effective BB's. It's not quite exactly like playing these blinds but as far as shoving goes it is quite close and I would shove. MP1 is pretty desperate and of no real consequence, there isn't much point in trying to induce or protect yourself, you can't call fold so with AQs I think the answer has to be shove.