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Final Table 7 players left
Blinds at 1000/2000 300 ante
SB Hero 17000 54
BB 21000 69

Action folds to Hero who min raises to 4k (shove or 6k would have been much better here)
BB Calls

pot is 10,100

Flop comes 5QK
Hero shoves with bottom pair

BB Calls with his flush draw. Is this ever a good call for the BB with basically his whole stack at risk? I felt like he shouldn't have called with only 4k invested but I would just like people's opinions. Thanks!

I'm not a MTT player but from a strictly pot odds perspective he's getting about the right price.

I imagine you have to factor in things like the value of doubling up at a final table vs busting out etc.

For sure shove pre, you have 8.5BB.. 2x and 3x are both bad, bad villains will flat you with random hands (which they fold to a jam; which is good for you as you pick up a lot of blinds/antes: chips). With this stack depth you are pretty much priced in to call once you raise (especially 3x) vs a shove anyway (whereas if you had say 13, raise folding has much more merit as you can easily fold to a reshove from villains)

As played calling isn't too bad for him I guess, altho prob still a fold, can't blame him though weak players are going to make mistakes like that for sure.

Part of the reason I didn't shove was I had just shoved 2 out of 4 hands so I thought he would look me up pretty light, thanks for the feedback all.

Part of the reason I didn't shove was I had just shoved 2 out of 4 hands so I thought he would look me up pretty light, thanks for the feedback all.

Can probably just fold then.

Does prize structure matter. I.E. ICM considerstions. What were the prizes and stacks as these are really relevent.

If you have been shove happy then you can fold this maybe.Just shove or fold.

Also I would recommend you not worry about your table image at this point in the tourney. Just play mathematically like everyone else. Have you read the book " kill everyone"? I think there's some push/fold charts that would benefit final table play.

Kill everyone was an excellent book.I really enjoyed it

Also I would recommend you not worry about your table image at this point in the tourney. Just play mathematically like everyone else. Have you read the book " kill everyone"? I think there's some push/fold charts that would benefit final table play.

Haven't read it but I will, thanks for the recommendation. If I fold I'm giving the BB a walk, is that ever a good idea? I'm not sure I've ever even seen that discussed.

Haven't read it but I will, thanks for the recommendation. If I fold I'm giving the BB a walk, is that ever a good idea? I'm not sure I've ever even seen that discussed.

If you raise, it has to be a shove. Otherwise. You must fold.

And yes, stealing the blinds is widely and relentlessly discussed.

Does prize structure matter. I.E. ICM considerstions. What were the prizes and stacks as these are really relevent.

If you have been shove happy then you can fold this maybe.Just shove or fold.

Top 3 paid
Stacks were:
SB(Hero: 17000
BB: 21000
UTG: 55000
MP: 20000
MP+1: 5000
CO: 14000
Button: 60000

Blinds were going to 2000/4000 400 ante in 5 minutes so my M was going to drop to 2...