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zachd2323

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Hey guys, I don't really ever play tournaments, so I'm not really sure what my shoving range should be in this spot. I want to say that there were probably around 17 players left and the top 5 spots cashed. I thought that 22 was probably a fold since I never get it in that good and am often crushed. Is a fold correct and what hands are you shoving? Thanks. I should also note that I only have a few hands on the limper, so I have no idea how wide his range is.

Merge Network $4,000 VIP Freeroll No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200.00/t400.00 Blinds + t50.00 - 8 players - View hand 1778019
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SB: t26637.00 M = 26.64
BB: t21839.00 M = 21.84
UTG: t11590.00 M = 11.59
UTG+1: t4090.00 M = 4.09
Hero (MP1): t5254.00 M = 5.25
MP2: t9115.00 M = 9.12
CO: t15324.00 M = 15.32
BTN: t11902.00 M = 11.90

Pre Flop: (t1000) Hero is MP1 with 2 Heart 2 Spade
UTG calls t400, Hero?

Posted 12 months ago

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I don't have much experience with tournaments either, so take this advice with a grain of salt.

I would shove here. I don't expect to many folds, especially in a freeroll, but with your stack size, and the amount in the pot already I think it's a +ev shove. If we were 1 or 2 spots from cashing I might consider playing a little tighter and let someone else possibly bust out.

Posted 12 months ago

zachd2323

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I don't have much experience with tournaments either, so take this advice with a grain of salt.

I would shove here. I don't expect to many folds, especially in a freeroll, but with your stack size, and the amount in the pot already I think it's a +ev shove. If we were 1 or 2 spots from cashing I might consider playing a little tighter and let someone else possibly bust out.



Yeah I could see a shove here being the correct play. I honestly have no idea when it comes to playing with 10-15bb....

Posted 12 months ago

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unless you knew the first guy limp folded a bunch I'd fold 22, it just doesn't get stack in well here.

Posted 12 months ago

zachd2323

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unless you knew the first guy limp folded a bunch I'd fold 22, it just doesn't get stack in well here.



Whats the worst hand you shove?

Posted 12 months ago

rrumsey

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unless you knew the first guy limp folded a bunch I'd fold 22, it just doesn't get stack in well here.


totally agree 22 is just getting whacked equity wise even if villain somehow limp calls 34off lol we are just relying totally on FE with no blockers in a freeroll where people will call way too lose bc why not

Whats the worst hand you shove?


the worst hands would be big suited broadways, AX suiteds, A7 off, PP's above 5's or so. I expect villain to limp call a lot UTG ish here in a freeroll so i wouldnt be counting on FE that much. blockers are a big deal not only for villains limp calling range but for the hands people could have behind you, keep that in mind

Posted 12 months ago

zachd2323

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totally agree 22 is just getting whacked equity wise even if villain somehow limp calls 34off lol we are just relying totally on FE with no blockers in a freeroll where people will call way too lose bc why not

the worst hands would be big suited broadways, AX suiteds, A7 off, PP's above 5's or so. I expect villain to limp call a lot UTG ish here in a freeroll so i wouldnt be counting on FE that much. blockers are a big deal not only for villains limp calling range but for the hands people could have behind you, keep that in mind



I should note that it's a VIP freeroll, so most players are pretty decent [obviously this guy isn't good since he limped UTG, but shouldn't be a huge drooler I wouldn't think]

Posted 12 months ago

rrumsey

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It's not just its a free roll more the fact that people do looser things if money isn't on the line

Posted 12 months ago

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At what point, meaning stack size, should we shove 22 in this spot. We have to be getting pretty close with 13bbs. Do we shove if we have 10bbs or less here?

Posted 12 months ago

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At what point, meaning stack size, should we shove 22 in this spot. We have to be getting pretty close with 13bbs. Do we shove if we have 10bbs or less here?


With 22 with this stack size/antes here it is really borderline to me - ok there is the chance of being called by better pairs but often it is going to be just overcards - we are dropping fold equity fast and this may be the best shot for a while. I just lean toward a fold mostly but I think it might be time to even take a bit of an immediate -ve EV line as this may be ok in order to be able to shove more often on the next orbit or two (and so hopefully get repaid for the -ve part in the long run). It is a very close spot and any small thing might nudge me into taking the shot.
With 10bbs I would be shoving most of the time.

Posted 12 months ago

rrumsey

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At what point, meaning stack size, should we shove 22 in this spot. We have to be getting pretty close with 13bbs. Do we shove if we have 10bbs or less here?


we would need a read that he can limp fold tbh. i would much rather open push 67off then shove 22 here. just a matter of having a shit ton more FE

Posted 12 months ago

UU!I.I.4AAUU35

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Whats the worst hand you shove?


Probably better to shove something like 76s-T9s, suited broadways type hands than 22 or 33

Posted 12 months ago

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we would need a read that he can limp fold tbh. i would much rather open push 67off then shove 22 here. just a matter of having a shit ton more FE



Not sure what you mean. 76o and 22 have the same fold equity.

Posted 12 months ago

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BaseMetal

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we would need a read that he can limp fold tbh. i would much rather open push 67off then shove 22 here. just a matter of having a shit ton more FE


I def. prefer the 22 to shove in situations like this. If the limper was limping tight but with all pairs better than 22
(33+,A7s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QJo) approx. 17% of hands
22 has 40% equity, 76o has 33% when called. If the limper is wide say 40% of hands then 22 do even better.

Posted 12 months ago




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