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Where Did I Put that Fold Equity?: Episode Five

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Where Did I Put that Fold Equity?: Episode Five by Luceboy

Luceboy and md261 discuss maximising your equity on the bubble with some in depth raise-call analysis.

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Luceboy takes theory of SnG's into a whole new level with this series of theoretical discussion as well as practical applications.

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  • Game: mttsng
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 53 minutes long
  • Posted about 1 year ago

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hansgeertsma

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Don't worry about it being boring, it really isn't, I started watching it as background video just to check it out and within a few minutes started watching with full attention. I really loved the in depth explanations and already look forward to the next episode and added the previous episodes to my must watch list

I think that the average MTT grinder should also dive into these calculations to greatly improve their late stage MTT skills. Thanks guys for the extensive hand reviews.

Posted about 1 year ago

bevo

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These vids are getting better and better. Cant wait for the next one.
Cheers boys.

Posted about 1 year ago

Luceboy

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Thanks guys I appreciate your feedback. I can't promise that there will be loads of these type of in depth analysis videos, but if I come up with some more sticky situations to analyse then I'll be sure to spend some time discussing them.

Posted about 1 year ago

BaseMetal

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Time Link to 00:07:02

Great video series so far, thanks.

edit: done slightly better in post below

There is a trick you can use to make the analysis of these hands where you raise and get shoved on fairly easy if they are preflop just by using SnGWiz in a more sneaky fashion. If you modify the positions of the players you can place yourself (as the original Btn raiser here) in the big blind position instead and make the big-blind cost equal to the raise size, take the original sb cost off the SB stack and put this player on the Btn.
For eg, this hand is almost perfectly equivalent to:
Btn (was SB): 2155 folds (**)
SB (was the BB): 3739 pushes
BB (was Btn): 3031 now pays a blind of 300 (equiv. to the raise) and can choose to fold or call.

** It is not absolutely perfect as the sb cost has been effectively removed from the table but to get even more accurate in an extreme case you could add a small part of it, say 1/3 to each of the allin stacks like another 'edge' - this would really be just in extreme cases where a few chips are highly important - but you could do it your manual way in these really tight cases. The speed of this method when 10bb's or more are involved makes it very useful.

Here is a link to this hand done in Wiz
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff478/GoldMetal/forLuceboyVid.jpg

Wiz when it analyses does not take into account future blinds etc, just the icm change of this exact spot so this is pretty well a perfect match to the manual approach. This also allows you to vary the range of the reshove with the Wiz slider and you can even can graph ranges vs the hand, the A7s in this case or change the hand.
Really quickly I got to -3.4% equity, you can get a little fancier but there is no real need in a case like this.

It is great to do this the long manual way a few times to get used to icm but I think the cheat wiz approach is much faster, perhaps a little less hand flexible as you cannot get very fancy with the hand ranges because it only uses one approach to them, ie, you can't swap low Ax hands for low pairs etc.

edit:as you can see you can according to this shortcut wiz approach you can min raise call with 6.2% (88+ AQ+ ATs) almost the same as your ranges and I think just different due to the style of ranges.

Posted 10 months ago

BaseMetal

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Actually, I overthought the example last night, you get it absolutely exact if you just leave the SB there and put the Villain (was really BB) into the Btn, and you now put the Btn into the BB. This is perfect but obviously still only allows SnGWiz style ranges to be used, the manual way can adapt to more pairs in range etc.

Here is an updated link of the result (it now has a 7.1% call range, (88+, AJ+, ATs), the difference with yours is really just due to the way hands are selected for the same % ranges. I've shown the graphed ranges for calling - this shows A7s is about even $EV at about a 80% Villain shove range.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff478/GoldMetal/forLuceboyVid2.jpg

Also, if you do not have a suitable blind structure, for example if the original bet was 325, you can actually copy the structure in wiz and modify the new one to have a blinds of 325/150, this only takes a sec or two, still easier than the manual way.

Posted 10 months ago




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